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Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:07 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:07 am to Pettifogger
KN and all the like they have wrote glowing articles about Dee Davis, Garnett, etc
At this point what anybody says about a prospect holds little water until the prospect actually performs. Sometimes when players actually do perform well, even in unusual circumstances such as Malik Willis on a different team, the people who saw that potential can claim their pat on the back but for the most part these recruiting analysts would love to have Andruw Jones’ batting average.
Next, I don’t know what Caldwell is saying about Prentiss so what he’s saying is relative to inexistent standards so I don’t know if you’re saying he’s going to be as good a QB pickup as Bo or as good as Brock or better than any 3* QB prospect but not better than Brock, etc. Just not a lot to take from recruiting analysis because the fact is if you’re a 3* all the way up to 5* there is always plenty to like about the prospect. Having those qualities doesnt mean they’ll work out. Dee always being a winner in Texas didnt work out for example. Not being argumentative. Just discussing. I came here years ago because I was a recruiting junky but not so much anymore and that’s the main reason why.
At this point what anybody says about a prospect holds little water until the prospect actually performs. Sometimes when players actually do perform well, even in unusual circumstances such as Malik Willis on a different team, the people who saw that potential can claim their pat on the back but for the most part these recruiting analysts would love to have Andruw Jones’ batting average.
Next, I don’t know what Caldwell is saying about Prentiss so what he’s saying is relative to inexistent standards so I don’t know if you’re saying he’s going to be as good a QB pickup as Bo or as good as Brock or better than any 3* QB prospect but not better than Brock, etc. Just not a lot to take from recruiting analysis because the fact is if you’re a 3* all the way up to 5* there is always plenty to like about the prospect. Having those qualities doesnt mean they’ll work out. Dee always being a winner in Texas didnt work out for example. Not being argumentative. Just discussing. I came here years ago because I was a recruiting junky but not so much anymore and that’s the main reason why.
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:37 am to jangalang
NaQuil commits on July 30th and Bryan Matthews is calling this 6’7 specimen a NG. I’m guessing that means he ain’t predicting Auburn because not many 6’7 nose guards can win the pad level.
“Win the pad level”
I just made corch’s dick rock solid.
“Win the pad level”
I just made corch’s dick rock solid.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 12:14 pm to jangalang
I’m prudential… like a rock
Posted on 7/15/22 at 1:57 pm to CorchJay
Presntiss is very legit lol. Keep in mind any film you find of him is from his Sophomore year.. and year that he dominated. He will most likely be a consensus top 10 QB by the time his senior year starts. Everyone around ATL has known he was going to be very good for a while now.
I will admit I'm a big fan though. I've been talking about Geriner being the starting QB and Noland taking over after him for a while now lol.
I will admit I'm a big fan though. I've been talking about Geriner being the starting QB and Noland taking over after him for a while now lol.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 2:40 pm to jt33
JLee indeed has said he doesn't see Betrand picking Auburn (He didn't say if that's an Auburn decision or not)
Also Lewis Carter is supposed to commit soon (Either today or next Friday. I couldn't tell from the way KN worded it) and Oklahoma seems to be the pick.
In that same thread on ON3 JHead basically said we are looking at taking a way smaller HS class than initially expected at this point. He said 15-20 HS and JUCO and the rest will we will try to fill through the portal.
This part is just from me... the hope that people have of flipping a bunch of people late just isn't realistic and gets even less so with each recruit who goes elsewhere. Most years a school is lucky if they can flip even a few recruits, hoping for double digits just isn't a realistic point of view anymore.
Also Lewis Carter is supposed to commit soon (Either today or next Friday. I couldn't tell from the way KN worded it) and Oklahoma seems to be the pick.
In that same thread on ON3 JHead basically said we are looking at taking a way smaller HS class than initially expected at this point. He said 15-20 HS and JUCO and the rest will we will try to fill through the portal.
This part is just from me... the hope that people have of flipping a bunch of people late just isn't realistic and gets even less so with each recruit who goes elsewhere. Most years a school is lucky if they can flip even a few recruits, hoping for double digits just isn't a realistic point of view anymore.
This post was edited on 7/15/22 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 7/15/22 at 2:54 pm to jt33
It is worrisome at this point that we are not winning some of the key battles. It seems Harsin may be a lame duck no matter if it is his fault and/or also the fault of the PTB.
It sucks, and the only thing that can turn it around is a good showing this year in wins and momentum, or I don't see him retaining the job with another 6 win season and poor recruiting results.
Auburn will have fricked itself again with a buyout and the burden of convincing a coach this is a great place to be. No coach worth a shite would be dumb enough to step in the role.
It sucks, and the only thing that can turn it around is a good showing this year in wins and momentum, or I don't see him retaining the job with another 6 win season and poor recruiting results.
Auburn will have fricked itself again with a buyout and the burden of convincing a coach this is a great place to be. No coach worth a shite would be dumb enough to step in the role.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 3:48 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Auburn will have fricked itself again with a buyout and the burden of convincing a coach this is a great place to be. No coach worth a shite would be dumb enough to step in the role.
Not too long ago, Bama was a clown show. They were a lot worse off than Auburn currently is, and they ended up with Saban. So it’s really just a matter of good timing.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 4:00 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
quote:Seems to be a pattern.
It sucks, and the only thing that can turn it around is a good showing this year in wins and momentum or I don't see him retaining the job with another 6 win season and poor recruiting results.
Guessing, he was also banking on a winning season to interest recruits last year. And the nose dive at the end nixed that.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 4:17 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
I will try my best to enjoy this season no matter what, but I agree with your line of thinking.
At this point, it does not really matter why --- all that matters is this recruiting will get us buried.
I hope it can be turned around, but I don't think winning will be enough --- and I am sure a losing season will be the final nail.
At this point, it does not really matter why --- all that matters is this recruiting will get us buried.
I hope it can be turned around, but I don't think winning will be enough --- and I am sure a losing season will be the final nail.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 4:51 pm to higgs_boson
I don’t think the recruitniks are talking flipping folks from Bama or Georgia I think they are talking flipping from maybe a miss state, tulane, Kansas type recruits.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 7:23 pm to jt33
Side Q - who is Jhead? I mean I know he's a guy on On3 people listen to, but what's his background/expertise?
Posted on 7/15/22 at 8:26 pm to Pettifogger
I don’t know his back ground but he’s very familiar and has been with AU recruiting for a few years now. Normally tells it like it is and is pretty rational and realistic
Posted on 7/15/22 at 8:29 pm to jt33
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Keep in mind any film you find of him is from his Sophomore year
That’s the same for any of the kids in his class. I have no idea where the services will rank him but for me I would be surprised if he’s a top 250 player at the end of the day. Not that you can’t find a QB ranked in the 400-500’s that turn out great college players.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 10:57 pm to jvilletiger25
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Not too long ago, Bama was a clown show. They were a lot worse off than Auburn currently is, and they ended up with Saban
Just think they almost had Rich Rod but he backed out after accepting the job. Just think if Rich Rod took the job and hoe history would have changed
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:13 pm to CorchJay
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I don’t know his back ground but he’s very familiar and has been with AU recruiting for a few years now. Normally tells it like it is and is pretty rational and realistic
Are you on the paysites? How do you know him?
Posted on 7/16/22 at 12:00 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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It is worrisome at this point that we are not winning some of the key battles. It seems Harsin may be a lame duck no matter if it is his fault and/or also the fault of the PTB. It sucks, and the only thing that can turn it around is a good showing this year in wins and momentum, or I don't see him retaining the job with another 6 win season and poor recruiting results.
I was team Harsin even after the flop at the end of the season. From a 10,000 foot view, his days as Auburn’s coach are limited to a few more months after the debacle in January that crippled him.
This post was edited on 7/16/22 at 12:01 am
Posted on 7/16/22 at 2:54 am to jangalang
Oh naw I ain’t on any pay sites. I do watch some of JGT when he has his brain drains and now JLee, Pinkston and JHead when they put shows out on YouTube. JHead has made his rounds on the boards for a few years.
The brain drains are definitely that sometimes because of the liquor talk and since I’m not a drinker I don’t get it but the escape to a 70,000 foot view is good sometimes. I don’t even like JGT but something about that show I enjoy. And JHead was a long time caller now sure now that J Lee has him “associated” with On3 now if he would call in
The brain drains are definitely that sometimes because of the liquor talk and since I’m not a drinker I don’t get it but the escape to a 70,000 foot view is good sometimes. I don’t even like JGT but something about that show I enjoy. And JHead was a long time caller now sure now that J Lee has him “associated” with On3 now if he would call in
Posted on 7/16/22 at 5:27 am to CorchJay
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I’m not a drinker
So now I finally understand the reason why I have been pulling double duty+ for years. Cheers, Corch.
(this is me and me). 
Posted on 7/16/22 at 5:33 am to CorchJay
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No it's nothing like that. It's talent evaluation. If Noland is the top of our QB board for '24 then we don't have good evaluators of talent and I thought Harsin was actually good at that for QBs.
So maybe we should appreciate CBH bringing in a seemingly talented and experienced "talent evaluator" from the Cowboys to take the lead on truly evaluating talent???
Posted on 7/16/22 at 6:00 am to BlackStandard
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That's a lot of "If", my guy. I don't think CBH is a quitter either, but the fact of the matter is that he's getting his arse stomped on the recruiting trail.
It certainly appears so to most everyone I guess, but re:facts and stuff, can we agree that we have seen more than a fair share of 5 star busts, program and position and personal mismatches, 3 star Heisman winners, and walk on NFL legends and HOFers (absolutely love me some Kevin Greene)? Yes, many of those may be outliers, but I think in the end as far as AU goes for now and the near future, becoming a better and stronger force in the SEC comes down to being able to sign and develop a focused, bought-in group of hard-working 3-4 stars as the team core, and then, 1-2 game changers. And no, the Cams and Nicks do not come along that often, but someone please feel free to refresh my memory as to Nick fricking Fairley's recruiting ranking, profile, star number, etc.
I don't know why you put "recruiting losses" in parenthesis like they're not real?
Because no matter what recruiting "analists" say, until said recruits buy in, sign, get to work (hard work) and produce on the field, it does not matter. Unless you are concerned with a recruiting 'ship. NO ONE can yet say whether any recruit is truly a loss, at this point in time, IMHO.
Lmao I guess I'm not a real "AU fan" if I don't like the way recruiting is going. Ah yes, me having an opinion on SEC Rant is definitely doing more damage than what the PTB have already done, you got me
Please don't take it like that. I am certainly not happy with how things APPEAR to stand right now concerning recruiting. And no, I do not believe that I listed more than 2 very important "ifs" in my earlier post. Just 2. #1) IF we win by fielding a tough, competitive, hard-nosed and well-coached team THIS YEAR, and 2) IF AU works out its NIL shite relatively soon, THEN, ALL THINGS - RECRUITS, PROGRAM DIRECTION, STABILITY, ETC. (sorry, not shouting, just stressing those points) is all right back on the table again. And also, IMHO, those 2 "IFS" are hardly impossible to turn into reality.
I guess I just choose to be posi and back our program, team, staff and coaches, AU for THIS year, for now, and enjoy this season as always while I am still kicking as may easily be the last season of AU football that I am privileged enough to, lol, struggle through as is too often the case, but I hope and truly believe that we will all be pleasantly surprised months from now. And if we are not, then as everyone should know by now, I am clinically insane, so shoot me and call a spade a spade;-). And no, I don't drink Kool-Aid, though I love it. It doesn't help me get through AU sports all that well.
Happy WDE to all. ETA - sorry I fricked up the italics and who wrote what but I hope the convo is clear enough. Tech and I go to war daily - win some, lose some.
(that's me vs. tech). ETA 2 - PLEASE don't force me to have to agree with Jang about recruits panning out or not.
This post was edited on 7/16/22 at 6:42 am
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