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Posted on 12/15/22 at 6:17 pm to jvilletiger25
Posted on 12/15/22 at 6:17 pm to jvilletiger25
Well he said "recent winning culture" not sure if it changes anything 
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Posted on 12/15/22 at 6:18 pm to auburn22
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I wish I knew, that you know what your talking about
I absolutely don't. I'm just practicing being an Auburn beat writer.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 6:18 pm to CreweBilt
You did well
Posted on 12/15/22 at 6:19 pm to AUFan2015
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Freeze was the star of the show during the in home with Qua and Smith. His charm was on full display, and he didn't defer to the assistants that accompanied him. Freeze made it clear he wants them at AU
Have to land these guys. They’ve been to Auburn a ton, we’re throwing the bank at them, and we NEED impact players now.
The problem with waiting a year to land elite players in the 2024 class is those players won’t be serious contributors as sophomores/juniors until 2025/2026. Our inpatient fanbase won’t wait that long.
This post was edited on 12/15/22 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 12/15/22 at 6:31 pm to TheJones
Would russaw and smith start as TF?
Posted on 12/15/22 at 6:32 pm to Stidham8
Which is why the transfer portal is key.
No longer dependent on HS. Gotta do both at an elite level. Not disagreeing there. There’s a path to get better quickly now
No longer dependent on HS. Gotta do both at an elite level. Not disagreeing there. There’s a path to get better quickly now
Posted on 12/15/22 at 6:35 pm to AU_251
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Would russaw and smith start as TF?
I don’t know. Russaw looks physically ready at edge. Interior DLs don’t typically start as freshman in this league. Starting isn’t the only path to playing time, though, and the selling point at Auburn is that they’re going to need to play whether they’re starting or not. The biggest selling point will be proximity to train at madhouse down the road
Posted on 12/15/22 at 6:41 pm to TheJones
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Which is why the transfer portal is key. No longer dependent on HS. Gotta do both at an elite level. Not disagreeing there. There’s a path to get better quickly now
We’re highly unlikely to ever find a 5 star defensive lineman in the transfer portal.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 6:46 pm to Stidham8
The difference between transfers and 5* HS guys is that you know what you have the the transfers
Might be right that the ceiling is removed but so is the floor.
Someone else here will repeat the same argument as you laid out yesterday but that guy ain’t me
Happy to discuss any new or different thoughts though
Might be right that the ceiling is removed but so is the floor.
Someone else here will repeat the same argument as you laid out yesterday but that guy ain’t me
Happy to discuss any new or different thoughts though Posted on 12/15/22 at 7:03 pm to TheJones
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The difference between transfers and 5* HS guys is that you know what you have the the transfers
Might be right that the ceiling is removed but so is the floor.
Someone else here will repeat the same argument as you laid out yesterday but that guy ain’t me Happy to discuss any new or different thoughts though
Very good point, very good point. Look at the OL recruiting, we will end up with JC, portal, and HS, with varying years of eligibility to go along with the talent, excellent job.
DL we could do without these guys if we had some great portal, JC talent, but it looks like we are not serving up a lot of options.
To Jones point on HS, sure these guys are 5 star and odds are they will pan out, but there are a lot of factors between them and a proven portal kid, a lot of factors non related to skills themselves. In the last 12 months bama has lost 3 five star OL to the portal, or rather they were kind of pushed out.
The other consideration, are you going to blow out your NIL on these two, what does that do to the total pay structure for the other 83 players on your roster? Do you end up with 83 guys playing the ole portal dance the way Tank did this past year? I can see it for a transfer QB, Lawrence Taylor or John Hannah, but a couple DL HS kids?
This post was edited on 12/15/22 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 12/15/22 at 7:10 pm to TheJones
I’m not the biggest Freeze guy, that’s been well documented and not worth litigating. IMO, he certainly “gets” recruiting from the early returns. No, he’s not doing things we’ve never seen. But I think he’s going to create momentum in the way Harsin never did.
I don’t think that he’ll land Russaw or Smith. And I understand folks that will consider that as a failure. You’re one of many that will consider Freeze a failure for many different reasons. From a standpoint of tracking recruitment it feels like Freeze is on the right track. Feelings aren’t material, hard facts but I didn’t really ever felt this way under Harsin. I was patient due to the circumstances but it was clear to even me, a very patient fan, that things weren’t going well.
All this to say - Freeze is entering a recruiting landscape much different than Saban did in 2007 and Smart did in 2000 and whatever. Transfers makes this tougher to project and although Freeze relied on transfers at Liberty he’s got an entirely different arsenal to draw from at Auburn. And I think he relishes that fact.
Hope that’s correct.
I don’t think that he’ll land Russaw or Smith. And I understand folks that will consider that as a failure. You’re one of many that will consider Freeze a failure for many different reasons. From a standpoint of tracking recruitment it feels like Freeze is on the right track. Feelings aren’t material, hard facts but I didn’t really ever felt this way under Harsin. I was patient due to the circumstances but it was clear to even me, a very patient fan, that things weren’t going well.
All this to say - Freeze is entering a recruiting landscape much different than Saban did in 2007 and Smart did in 2000 and whatever. Transfers makes this tougher to project and although Freeze relied on transfers at Liberty he’s got an entirely different arsenal to draw from at Auburn. And I think he relishes that fact.
Hope that’s correct.
This post was edited on 12/15/22 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 12/15/22 at 7:17 pm to trinidadtiger
Regarding NIL budgeting for the team and current recruits.
Lets say Wooden and Hall had not declared for the draft and you empty the bank on these two HS DL, one thing you can guarantee, it would cost you double because the aforementioned two would be in Freeze office wanting the same pay, or they would hit the portal because it would still be open after you signed the two HS kids.
Lots of moving parts to this thing, and while we all want to upgrade our personnel, we also need to ensure "we dance with the few that brought us".
Lets say Wooden and Hall had not declared for the draft and you empty the bank on these two HS DL, one thing you can guarantee, it would cost you double because the aforementioned two would be in Freeze office wanting the same pay, or they would hit the portal because it would still be open after you signed the two HS kids.
Lots of moving parts to this thing, and while we all want to upgrade our personnel, we also need to ensure "we dance with the few that brought us".
Posted on 12/15/22 at 7:27 pm to TheJones
I'm going to be serious this time so be warned:
I think Freeze is doing well with what he's been given so far (piss-poor recruiting from the previous staff, reluctance from some in the fanbase etc). I don't think it's fair to judge him on not getting the big "recruits" (ie 4*/5* composite players). We can talk all day about how "3-star athletes can't build the program" and what not, but this envoirment here at AU is still new to Freeze and it looks like he's willing to gel things together. I think we'll be alright, y'all just need to give him time and not get mad that he isn't getting the 4/5-stars...yet. Patience is a big key in this recruiting cycle
I think Freeze is doing well with what he's been given so far (piss-poor recruiting from the previous staff, reluctance from some in the fanbase etc). I don't think it's fair to judge him on not getting the big "recruits" (ie 4*/5* composite players). We can talk all day about how "3-star athletes can't build the program" and what not, but this envoirment here at AU is still new to Freeze and it looks like he's willing to gel things together. I think we'll be alright, y'all just need to give him time and not get mad that he isn't getting the 4/5-stars...yet. Patience is a big key in this recruiting cycle
This post was edited on 12/15/22 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 12/15/22 at 7:46 pm to HonorThyWarEagle
Tend to agree but the star rating stuff ignores the nuance. Landing Smith and Russaw is a different hurdle than landing 4* OL DJ Chester, the 4* JUCO OTs, or even Kayin Lee.
What people get irritated on this board and others is this argument over coaching up 3* guys vs bringing in 4/5* guys. And the sooner we abandon that argument the better off we’ll be.
Nobody gets a pass on recruiting. Circumstances don’t ultimately matter at the end of the day when you’re fielding a roster. Harsin had plenty of recruiting complaints early and he was new to big time recruiting in the southeast and he couldn’t get kids in campus because of a Covid dead period. Which means Freeze gets zero excuses either and no patience.
Bottom line is that Freeze has to get top HS kids. He has a unique lifeline with the transfer portal so he’s gotta bridge the gap with that until the HS talent matures and develops. And yeah, he’ll need to hit on some 3* guys but that’s not unique and everyone does it sometimes but it’s not a viable strategy these days
What people get irritated on this board and others is this argument over coaching up 3* guys vs bringing in 4/5* guys. And the sooner we abandon that argument the better off we’ll be.
Nobody gets a pass on recruiting. Circumstances don’t ultimately matter at the end of the day when you’re fielding a roster. Harsin had plenty of recruiting complaints early and he was new to big time recruiting in the southeast and he couldn’t get kids in campus because of a Covid dead period. Which means Freeze gets zero excuses either and no patience.
Bottom line is that Freeze has to get top HS kids. He has a unique lifeline with the transfer portal so he’s gotta bridge the gap with that until the HS talent matures and develops. And yeah, he’ll need to hit on some 3* guys but that’s not unique and everyone does it sometimes but it’s not a viable strategy these days
This post was edited on 12/15/22 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:01 pm to HonorThyWarEagle
Patience is key….. and buying a qb and oline
Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:34 pm to Luke
Very true Luke, whats the ole adage, defense wins championships but offense puts butts in the seats. Gotta get a fun team on the field to start with, the rest will come.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:36 pm to trinidadtiger
Sometimes I wonder if you’re reading the same things I am
Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:44 pm to TheJones
Clemente posted a link to FSU's 247 saying that Faulk will UOV to FSU this weekend. Sounds like he'll stick with FSU
Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:56 pm to AUFan2015
Bummer
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:20 pm to trinidadtiger
quote:I actually slightly disagree about the DL. Its not filled with top players or anything, but its a really solid class. Reed and Denaud I think are going to be good and we're filling the rest out with some decent HS guys and transfers. LB is an abomination though. I'm not even sure we're going to sign anyone yet transfers included.
As impressive as we look to be at fixing the problem at OL the DL recruiting lacks and the LB is non existent.
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