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Posted on 7/9/21 at 8:18 am to LanierSpots
Posted on 7/9/21 at 8:18 am to LanierSpots
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And this is how far we have fallen
…most of the classes we’ve had recently have been close to a 50/50 split between 4*s and 3*s.
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Posted on 7/9/21 at 8:59 am to AA7
I will panic if once we have played games, had kids on campus during games on visits, and we miss out on a bunch of players. Or worse the few we have decommit
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:46 am to LanierSpots
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And this is how far we have fallen
The majority of our classes have been similar with maybe 1-2 5 stars.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:47 am to AA7
Seriously 
that’s pretty normal
that’s pretty normal 
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:58 am to blzr
There’s the usual naysayers in here on recruiting (of which I’m not one) are panicking a bit early but they do have a point this time.
there’s definitely a dip in recruiting if everything said in here is true. We’re not getting higher level 4 stars we usually get. Just going by stars is a little silly as there are different levels of 4 stars and 3 stars.
Looking at 247’s grades is more accurate IMO. We’re usually getting quite a few guys 95 or above. A lot of guys 90-95. Then some higher level 3 stars.
Not really seeing what top level guys we’re getting this year.
there’s definitely a dip in recruiting if everything said in here is true. We’re not getting higher level 4 stars we usually get. Just going by stars is a little silly as there are different levels of 4 stars and 3 stars.
Looking at 247’s grades is more accurate IMO. We’re usually getting quite a few guys 95 or above. A lot of guys 90-95. Then some higher level 3 stars.
Not really seeing what top level guys we’re getting this year.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 10:06 am to Weagle25
We are down 2-4 points on total average if we are looking at stars depending on what year you look at, but that is with 5-6 commits.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 10:13 am to Weagle25
2022
Avg. Rating - Year -National Rank - SEC Rank
0.8803 2022 70 14
0.8838 2021 19 07
0.9092 2020 07 05
0.9116 2019 11 06
0.9022 2018 12 03
0.8934 2017 09 04
0.9065 2016 09 05
0.9015 2015 08 05
0.8878 2014 06 04
0.8912 2013 10 06
0.9083 2012 11 04
0.8958 2011 05 02
quote:From 247 - with 6 commits - Holden Geriner being only 4 and 0.9129 rating - Alex McPherson (kicker) no stars or rating
Looking at 247’s grades
Avg. Rating - Year -National Rank - SEC Rank
0.8803 2022 70 14
0.8838 2021 19 07
0.9092 2020 07 05
0.9116 2019 11 06
0.9022 2018 12 03
0.8934 2017 09 04
0.9065 2016 09 05
0.9015 2015 08 05
0.8878 2014 06 04
0.8912 2013 10 06
0.9083 2012 11 04
0.8958 2011 05 02
Posted on 7/9/21 at 10:39 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
I feel like 2-4 points would be a big deal.
4 points is the difference between Bama’s class last year and the back end of the top 10. (Which seems like a significant gap)
2 ish points was the difference between Bama and us in the 2020 class.
I know it’s early. But I asked the other day if there were big targets we were in on and Jonesy said not really. So I don’t really see our average really picking up much. I’m not sitting here panicking but it is an area of concern. We can make all the excuses we want but at the end of the day, it’s not exactly what you want to see at this point even this early.
If it turns out Harsin is a great developer though, it probably won’t be an issue. We’ll take underrated guys and have them perform and recruiting will likely tick up if that happens anyways.
Also full disclosure, I don’t follow nearly as closely as I used to. So I’m just going off the glances of targets i see when I pop in here.
4 points is the difference between Bama’s class last year and the back end of the top 10. (Which seems like a significant gap)
2 ish points was the difference between Bama and us in the 2020 class.
I know it’s early. But I asked the other day if there were big targets we were in on and Jonesy said not really. So I don’t really see our average really picking up much. I’m not sitting here panicking but it is an area of concern. We can make all the excuses we want but at the end of the day, it’s not exactly what you want to see at this point even this early.
If it turns out Harsin is a great developer though, it probably won’t be an issue. We’ll take underrated guys and have them perform and recruiting will likely tick up if that happens anyways.
Also full disclosure, I don’t follow nearly as closely as I used to. So I’m just going off the glances of targets i see when I pop in here.
This post was edited on 7/9/21 at 10:42 am
Posted on 7/9/21 at 11:05 am to Weagle25
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I feel like 2-4 points would be a big deal.
It could be a big deal. I was just throwing out info.
I don't feel our average will jump considerably. I think we end up in the high 88-89 range average.
Development definitely is the big equalizer. We really struggled with development the last decade in my opinion outside of a select few.
There is good indication that we have some good developmental building coaches. At least I sure hope so.
I kind of expected some struggles early with recruiting. Harsin has to prove some things to the recruiting base he is now in. I am willing to give him time which is why I am not going to waste energy getting concerned right now.
Admittedly I am taking jabs at my fellow Aubies who are concerned and sharing it repeatedly with just about every post they make.
I reserve the right to join the masses at a later date though.
“We’re going to get families and players that are going to feel [Auburn],” Harsin said. “There will also be guys we bring into this program and people are going to go, ‘Where the hell this guy come from?’ This program, how we develop our players, this culture, and the people in the program are going to be what helps build the ability to sustain success.” -Bryan Harsin Auburn Head Coach, Prophet
This post was edited on 7/9/21 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 7/9/21 at 12:09 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
That stuck out to me too lol. Not sure what to think about that.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 12:20 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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“There will also be guys we bring into this program and people are going to go, ‘Where the hell this guy come from?
Posted on 7/9/21 at 12:23 pm to jt33
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That stuck out to me too lol. Not sure what to think about that.
I do. I think Harsin knew coming in that he was not going to set the league on fire with recruiting wins going up against the big dogs currently dominating recruiting.
So he is saying it comes with hard work, a culture built from the ground up, and hopefully w/ workouts, mental strength on the field, and development of those 'who the hell is this guy' players.
Once he does that, then maybe he can bring us up to better levels of recruiting.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 12:44 pm to jt33
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Not sure what to think about that.
My assessment is Harsin will choose players based on an evaluation that has been used by Koetter, Hawkins, Peterson, and Harsin to get guys some overlook and they develop into a productive player. Just my take after reading the article that came from.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 12:45 pm to AuSteeler
I agree with all of that as well.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 1:02 pm to jt33
Edit: moving my post to the thread Corch started so that we can keep this more recruiting news focused
This post was edited on 7/9/21 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 7/9/21 at 1:26 pm to TheJones
Thanks for doing the recruiting thread Jones. As someone who doesn’t follow recruiting closely/not frequent poster, I really do appreciate your work in this thread.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 2:40 pm to GambitAUfan
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I really do appreciate your work in this thread.
Same. This goes for all us lurkers in the recruiting thread. I regularly read so appreciate the news.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 3:20 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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“There will also be guys we bring into this program and people are going to go, ‘Where the hell this guy come from?’ This program, how we develop our players, this culture, and the people in the program are going to be what helps build the ability to sustain success.” -Bryan Harsin Auburn Head Coach, Prophet
That's what Tub was outstanding at.
I honestly could care less about the * system. There was a kid a while back from here who committed to bama. He was rated as the #9 overall recruit in the nation. He wasn't the best player on his own team. He never did anything at bama except get kicked out of school. Give me a guy who fits your system and who has not hit his ceiling yet. Star system be damned.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 3:33 pm to MrAUTigers
I will agree with this, while talent is great, developing that talent is even more important. We signed the #1 kid a few years ago (Cowart) and he was one of the biggest busts we had.
Stars are over hyped and overrated, as a kid dominating against smaller kids or just in camps doesnt always translate to playing in the SEC.
Stars are over hyped and overrated, as a kid dominating against smaller kids or just in camps doesnt always translate to playing in the SEC.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 3:38 pm to MrAUTigers
Everybody has underrated players. If we think we can bring 3* players and compete with bama, clemson, uga and lsu then you are going to be wrong. The rating services are not always right but they are right more than wrong.We have talent to win 10 games I hope we do.
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