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Posted on 11/4/21 at 6:43 pm to
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 6:43 pm to
I’m not down on it per se, just expected some struggles.
Posted by AUDevil
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 6:43 pm to
Don't read too much into my comments...ever. No, not all kids that commit elsewhere are dumb...I was overstating it for dramatic affect.
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 6:47 pm to
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You’re so right. It’s just 1 kid we have missed on. Wake the frick up



It literally is just one kid LMAO.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 6:55 pm to
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TheJones

What are your thoughts on our recruiting potential once the staff gets their feet under them?

Assume we are winning and looking good on the field
Posted by TheJones
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 7:05 pm to
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What are your thoughts on our recruiting potential once the staff gets their feet under them?

Assume we are winning and looking good on the field


I hate to even type this out but the only way to know is seeing what happens in the 2023 class. They’ll have had the full amount of time to recruit those kids without any restrictions and they’ve done a good job getting 2023 guys on campus and to their camps.

They probably lack a true shutdown recruiter like we’ve had in the past but the kids visiting (mostly 2023) have been really impressed with the program and how they’re running it. And as you mentioned, it’s contingent, to a degree, on winning.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 7:07 pm to
No it's not just 1 kid. Same people with concerns had concerns in the summer. Clemons is a solid player. Not denying that but it isn't about him. It's about the class as a whole. Take our rivals Bama, UGa, LSU. Anyone committed to us would one of those fanbases pencil in as a starter? Nope. None. They would be potential at best and depth as probable.
Posted by jvilletiger25
jacksonville, fl
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 7:07 pm to
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What are your thoughts on our recruiting potential once the staff gets their feet under them?

Assume we are winning and looking good on the field



Not Jones, but Auburn should never be outside of the top 12 in recruiting. Too much talent near by, and Auburn is one of the top football programs in the country.
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 7:08 pm to
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Yea I've obviously been down on it but had a fleeting moment of hope after the last couple of commits and a couple of flip prospects (Woodyard, Woody, Rhym) and getting Clemons and maybe Perry. Not feeling good about much anymore.

We're Auburn you fricking a-hole. Top 15 all-time. I suspect our recruiting will be similar. Like Gus, Chiz, Tubs, Dye...
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 7:09 pm to
Our highest rated recruit has a brother at bama and still couldn't get an offer to play there.
Posted by CorchJay
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 7:13 pm to
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Auburn should never be outside of the top 12 in recruiting. Too much talent near by, and Auburn is one of the top football programs in the country.


Completely agree. Coaching change we dropped last years class. But with 8-10 months we should be able to solidly finish inside the Top 15.
Posted by CorchJay
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 7:18 pm to
So the patience call until 2023 recruiting class, and I'm not calling out Jonesy, but will those claiming patience in recruiting be calling for patience in losses on the field in the 23 and 24 seasons? That will be he payoff on the patience.
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 7:42 pm to
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So the patience call until 2023 recruiting class, and I'm not calling out Jonesy, but will those claiming patience in recruiting be calling for patience in losses on the field in the 23 and 24 seasons? That will be he payoff on the patience.
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Posted by TheJones
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 8:02 pm to
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So the patience call until 2023 recruiting class, and I'm not calling out Jonesy, but will those claiming patience in recruiting be calling for patience in losses on the field in the 23 and 24 seasons? That will be he payoff on the patience.


I mean, I expected us to go 6-6 or 7-5 so yes

Some of you guys argue about recruiting as if we control any of it. My job here is just to relay free information to the board. My opinion on what’s happening overall or during a specific recruitment has no bearing on how well we do on the trail. No amount of my patience or being right or wrong changes anything. The payoff of my patience is my sanity

Tuberville didn’t recruit well on paper in terms of the recruiting site rankings. Chizik really brought a high level of visibility to recruiting at Auburn by hiring a phenomenal staff of recruiters. We obviously saw the extreme highs and lows of that staff in terms of results on the field. Gus continued that higher level of recruiting with a bit more of those highs and lows. Although, he ran a better overall program.

Harsin arrived in the middle of a 18 month recruiting dead period. Everyone dealt with it, of course, but a PNW coach that doesn’t recruit even the PNW’s best was a larger hurdle than I think most realized. Derek Mason wasn’t recruiting the caliber guys at Vandy that Auburn does and Bobo was one year removed from competing for similar recruits as Harsin was out west.

Much of the current class starts 2 years prior. We’ve seen that clearly this fall when the 2023 visitors, in volume and pedigree, absolutely dwarf the 2022 guys. Relationships in recruiting are built in years, not months. And it starting to get to know kids in June, just 5 months and 2 weeks before NSD, was a tough starting point.

All this to say — it’s hard to say what 2023 recruiting will look like. We might not even know until next summer as kids these days commit later and later. I’m as patient as can be with these things but I understand folks are tired of losing and want quick fixes. But as I said when Harsin was hired, you don’t hire this guy for a quick fix. You hire this guy to build a program from the bottom up and that takes time.

Anyway, that’s my thoughts on it all. I never expected much from this class and it’s about on par for what I was thinking. We’ll have to wait and see what NSD week brings
This post was edited on 11/4/21 at 8:24 pm
Posted by WeagleEagle
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 8:56 pm to
We also have to factor in the transfer portal. We all want 5* galore but that isn’t happening. With the proper portal pickups we can continue to be competitive. If the team is good..players will come. Recruiting ranking mean a little less to me with the portal.
Posted by PubeCrab
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 10:46 pm to
Randy coming in shitting on recruiting, over nothing, always seems to arrive like clockwork for daylight savings each year. Stay gold ponyboy.
Posted by blzr
Saratoga
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 10:54 pm to
And is wrong 99% of the time. Gotta love it
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 11:30 pm to
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it ironic that posters continually mention how LSU is kicking our arse in recruiting while simultaneously having lost two in a row to us, in the midst of a stretch where they’ve gone 7-9 against P5 teams?
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
33539 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 9:07 am to
LSU also just went 15-0 two years ago but whatever. The bigger issue is the massive gap between us and UGA and Bama and soon to be Texas A&M.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
33539 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 9:13 am to
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And is wrong 99% of the time.


I guess it depends on your hope and expectations for the program. If you are cool with 8-4 and getting it pushed in by UGA every year and watching Bama, Clemson, LSU etc... rack up titles then yea everything is fine and there is nothing to complain about.

If you think our roster is in a good place to compete for titles this year and certainly going forward then yes I am wrong.

If you think a month from signing day being 13th in the SEC in recruiting is cool then I'm definitely wrong.

I guess it's all about perspective.

Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
34093 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 9:55 am to
I tend to agree with you. This level of recruiting won’t cut it for long. I think we also know there’s no chance we’re finishing 13th. We’ll finish middle of the pack in the SEC again

The issue is something I know most of us, aside from the random “Coach ‘em up” poster, agree on. Like it or not, the CFP and national title winners pretty closely align with the top 7+ in recruiting.

Let’s talk outliers. Washington the first year is one of them. Clemson dips out of the top 7 occasionally but only because they don’t often fill their class completely — their average recruit rating is almost always near the top 3. And Oklahoma sometimes sits closer to 10 than 7. Notre dame is right around 7ish when I averaged these all out a few months ago.

LSU, Bama, and UGA (Ohio State, not in the SEC) are closer to top 5. LSU doesn’t always make it there but on average I think LSU is really close to that mark over the last 7 or 8 years.

If we want to expect frequent CFP opportunities then that’s where we’ve got to be in the SEC. Clemson, OU, ND, and Oregon can get away with occasional classes outside of the top 10 and still make a run. They’re just not going to get as beaten and battered as the SEC schools do.

That’s where we gotta get to.

1. Good coaching and good recruiting
2. Good coaching and bad recruiting
3. Bad coaching and good recruiting
4. Bad coaching and bad recruiting

quote:

2. Good coaching and bad recruiting
3. Bad coaching and good recruiting


We can argue this back and forth until we’re blue in the face. Is 2 or 3 better? Flip those two all you like but the best option is #1.

Anyway, I’m sure Coach Harsin has shortcomings as a coach but there’s zero chance that he doesn’t understand what we all understand. But this ain’t happening over night with Harsin.
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