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Posted on 10/30/19 at 12:40 am to The Sultan of Swine
Posted on 10/30/19 at 12:40 am to The Sultan of Swine
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4 years of good football for a nosedive in year 5 sounds like a great trade-off considering where we are now.
That's the problem. It's more than just year 5, especially in a conference like the SEC
you get behind in recruiting in a couple of years like we did his last year and a half then a lost year or two, like we had and it takes a lot to dig out.
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Posted on 10/30/19 at 9:03 am to DaleDenton
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It did.
Eh, I can give him a little break if its after he left but he was the coach for all 8 losses in the 2nd tenure there. The worst they got after he left Louisville the first time was 5 wins, which isn't good but very different than his 2 wins last year.
Bottom line though, he has a hard time team building, why I wouldn't mind him as an OC but never a HC again.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 11:03 am to gohogs141
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was really more like one bad year,
2 wins vs big 6 teams and no embarrassing losses sounds like heaven
Posted on 10/30/19 at 11:15 am to rockiee
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I wish the people who want to bring him back at least could come up with some defense for this but all you get is "but look what he did here". Maybe if the nose drive at Louisville happened before his tenure here but it didn't. That is also overlooking the other big issue.
I agree. BP is incredible at Xs and Os but struggles in recruiting.
This is why he hasn't gotten it done long term. A scheme will only take you so far before talent takes over.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 12:06 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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but struggles in recruiting.
He recruited the best offense and defense we've ever had.
At least in the SEC era.
And he left Bert a shite ton of NFL talent.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:37 pm to DaleDenton
quote:If you think for one second that if Petrino stays in 2012, and we still lose 7 games, then you are dumber than I thought. We pretty much returned the same team that won 11 games.
The nose dive his program takes in year 5 is a well documented fact, however.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 2:49 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
Yeah I’m not advocating bringing him back but I think Petrino caught lightening in a bottle that would’ve kept rolling. I think we have a good season in 2012 (probably 8 or 9 wins) but take a small step back from double digit wins. Then the next two seasons he would’ve gotten the most out of Brandon Allen from the jump and combine that with the talent he has already brought in on d like philon flowers and tevin Mitchell I think we would’ve been scary good in 15 16. You gotta think guys like Morgan and Henry would’ve came to the hill regardless and possibly even speight. We would’nt have gotten Collins but who knows we might pull Josh Jacobs and some other good talent close by since petrino was all about getting the diamond in the rough who he didn’t have to recruit hard. I think we would’ve become a dominant force throughout the decade. But we missed the boat and it wouldn’t work out the same way if we brought him back now anyway that ship has sailed
Posted on 10/30/19 at 3:21 pm to STLhog
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He recruited the best offense and defense we've ever had.
He was the beneficiary of probably some of the best in state talent we've ever had. Especially at QB.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 3:23 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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that ship has sailed
:flagship:
Posted on 10/30/19 at 3:58 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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He was the beneficiary of probably some of the best in state talent we've ever had. Especially at QB.
Bert had the Allen's.
Chad has had a 4 star in Storey and another 4 star in KJ.
Pretty equal IMO and any of the latter 4 would have excelled under Petrino, no doubt about it.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 5:54 pm to beebefootballfan
Nope. Let's get the biggest pussy we can find and bring him in because he is a nice guy
We will never win here. Just look at the up votes in this thread. Baby soft
We will never win here. Just look at the up votes in this thread. Baby soft
Posted on 10/30/19 at 7:11 pm to beebefootballfan
TDub not Club W
Posted on 10/30/19 at 7:41 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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If you think for one second that if Petrino stays in 2012, and we still lose 7 games, then you are dumber than I thought. We pretty much returned the same team that won 11 games.
I'm never said the results would have been exactly the same.
I said his programs fall off a cliff in year 5.
Louisville
Year 4 12-1
Year 5 6-6
Arkansas
Year 4 11-2
Year 5 4-8
Louisville part 2
Year 4 8-5
Year 5 2-8
He never won more than 9 games after his 11-2 record at Arkansas. In 2017 with the returning Heisman winner at QB and basically the same team, the team won one less game than the year prior and went from 7-1 in conference to 4-4.
He would probably be a great OC, although the trend is to hire the coach who runs the high school offense instead of a pro-style power spread currently.
His problem as a HC outside of landing a job at a major program would be his ability to hire great assistant coaches. Both Arkansas and Louisville facilitated hiring a decent defensive staff, but he continued to employee the same yes men on the offensive staff, and over all his staffs were not good enough recruiters to be just yes men as coaches.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 8:21 pm to DaleDenton
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His problem as a HC outside of landing a job at a major program would be his ability to hire great assistant coaches. Both Arkansas and Louisville facilitated hiring a decent defensive staff, but he continued to employee the same yes men on the offensive staff, and over all his staffs were not good enough recruiters to be just yes men as coaches.
You are right about Petrino hiring low quality assistants. But it eventually became a lot worse at Louisville than at Arkansas. It seems almost like he was trying to get fired.
U of L coaches among ACC's least experienced
That's a big part of Chad's problem as well.
This post was edited on 10/30/19 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 10/30/19 at 8:39 pm to Porky
I would hire Petrino back with a much lower salary, mandate assistants, provide an amazing support staff and win the SEC within 5 years.
He would have to agree with specific things prior to this hiring.
1. Hire real coaches with a great package of $$$ and benefits that would have normally been his if he had the option.
2. His assistants need to be incredible recruiters.
3. He actually lets his Defense coach the players during practice.
4. No family members hired until he wins 9-10 games in one season... then only in support positions.
5. Hire a PR firm to aid in his transformation.
6. No buyout on our end, and a huge one on his end...
I may add more later.....
He would have to agree with specific things prior to this hiring.
1. Hire real coaches with a great package of $$$ and benefits that would have normally been his if he had the option.
2. His assistants need to be incredible recruiters.
3. He actually lets his Defense coach the players during practice.
4. No family members hired until he wins 9-10 games in one season... then only in support positions.
5. Hire a PR firm to aid in his transformation.
6. No buyout on our end, and a huge one on his end...
I may add more later.....
Posted on 10/30/19 at 9:06 pm to Razorback Reverend
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He would have to agree with specific things prior to this hiring.
That's a good list.
Petrino is a great coach as long as solid boundaries are established and enforced. He requires a 'short leash' and tends to exploit any slack he can get. The latter being part of the reason he can be such a formidable opponent.
This post was edited on 10/30/19 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 10/30/19 at 9:22 pm to Razorback Reverend
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I would hire Petrino back with a much lower salary, mandate assistants, provide an amazing support staff and win the SEC within 5 years.
He would have to agree with specific things prior to this hiring.
1. Hire real coaches with a great package of $$$ and benefits that would have normally been his if he had the option.
2. His assistants need to be incredible recruiters.
3. He actually lets his Defense coach the players during practice.
4. No family members hired until he wins 9-10 games in one season... then only in support positions.
5. Hire a PR firm to aid in his transformation.
6. No buyout on our end, and a huge one on his end...
I may add more later.....
Jesus Christ I can't believe we have fans saying this. Hiring him back would be a disaster.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 9:28 pm to Porcine Human
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Jesus Christ I can't believe we have fans saying this. Hiring him back would be a disaster.
Rest easy. It's a hypothetical discussion.
But you can blame Chad if you want. If his coaching didn't suck so badly, it wouldn't be happening.
This post was edited on 10/30/19 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 10/30/19 at 10:50 pm to Porcine Human
I am partly stoking the fires for fun, and partly wondering if it might actually work. Posted on 10/31/19 at 7:51 am to Razorback Reverend
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