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Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:49 pm to WonderWartHawg
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:49 pm to WonderWartHawg
Since the SEC expanded in 92, Arkansas has posted a 104-162 conference record.
Ole Miss surpassed Arkansas at 109 SEC conference wins last year.
South Carolina was tied with Arkansas at 90 SEC wins back in 2017 and they have 114 wins.
The only SEC programs that Arkansas has more SEC wins is Kentucky, State and Vandy. If that isn't terrible then I don't know what is.
Ole Miss surpassed Arkansas at 109 SEC conference wins last year.
South Carolina was tied with Arkansas at 90 SEC wins back in 2017 and they have 114 wins.
The only SEC programs that Arkansas has more SEC wins is Kentucky, State and Vandy. If that isn't terrible then I don't know what is.
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:50 pm to GoldenSombrero
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Buying better players isn’t going to fix that.
We’ll never know apparently…
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:55 pm to WonderWartHawg
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We're not a 'terrible' program. Just not a 'great' program
Bottom of the SEC in damn near every category.
But keep putting lipstick on that fricking pig
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:09 pm to GoldenSombrero
I remember having a conversation in the past with one of my relatives who knew a player that was being recruited by both Arkansas and Oklahoma. He told me the player said that he liked Arkansas but Oklahoma paid more. This happened back in the 60s.
So apparently Arkansas lost a lot of bidding wars.
So apparently Arkansas lost a lot of bidding wars.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 7:03 am to dchog
quote:now break it down between 92-12 and 13-24. We’ve never been great since joining but the last 12 years have been downright awful because of smile, bert, and chaggy
Since the SEC expanded in 92, Arkansas has posted a 104-162 conference record. Ole Miss surpassed Arkansas at 109 SEC conference wins last year. South Carolina was tied with Arkansas at 90 SEC wins back in 2017 and they have 114 wins. The only SEC programs that Arkansas has more SEC wins is Kentucky, State and Vandy. If that isn't terrible then I don't know what is.
Damn guys just think about th fact that Sam really has been the best coach we’ve had since Petrino. And it’s not because Sam’s been great. Hes just not a (total) drunk or imbecile. The biggest problem for Arkansas the past 10 years has been Arkansas.
This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 8:59 am
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:29 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
SEC record
1992-2012. 78-85
2013-2024. 24-72
Overall record
1992-2012. 137-113
2013-2024. 61-84
1992-2012. 78-85
2013-2024. 24-72
Overall record
1992-2012. 137-113
2013-2024. 61-84
Posted on 11/21/24 at 11:11 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
If anything our history shows the bottles holtz hattfield nutt and petrino are outliers.
Everyone else is about 50/50 or a little worse.
Maybe we are a trash program who thinks we're just not great?
Based on booster funding, fan funding, and AD performance maybe we could all use a more realistic perspective. I say this as someone who has accepted Same is here through next year at this point barring an implosion Chad Morris style.
Everyone else is about 50/50 or a little worse.
Maybe we are a trash program who thinks we're just not great?
Based on booster funding, fan funding, and AD performance maybe we could all use a more realistic perspective. I say this as someone who has accepted Same is here through next year at this point barring an implosion Chad Morris style.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 11:50 am to oklahogjr
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If anything our history shows the bottles holtz hattfield nutt and petrino are outliers. Everyone else is about 50/50 or a little worse. Maybe we are a trash program who thinks we're just not great? Based on booster funding, fan funding, and AD performance maybe we could all use a more realistic perspective.
That’s a lot of outliers. For reference here are a few other programs from late 80’s onward, excluding their HOF quality coaches.
Bama-
24-23
17-8
10-23
Texas-
31-26
41-28
16-21
32-18
34-15 (Sark)
Oklahoma-
44-23
5-5
12-22
55-10 (Riley)
17-10 (Venables)
Tenn-
7-6
15-21
34-27
5-19
Point being, I don’t believe programs make the coach (long term) as much as the coach makes the program. All 4 listed above (2 of which played in weak conferences with arguably more resources) don’t look so hot without Saban, Stoops, Brown and Fulmer.
Frank built our program and deserves a lot of credit. But he also ran off some good coaches. The way Jerry runs the Cowboys reminds me of how Frank essentially ran our football program behind the scenes.
I’m not connected and maybe I’m off base, but I feel like some of that continues with the ‘64 team having boosters still pulling some strings. It feels like some want us to be good, but not good enough to surpass the ‘64 and Frank in terms of legacy.
If we ever make the right hire no reason we can’t compete at the highest level.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:07 pm to oklahogjr
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holtz hattfield nutt and petrino are outliers.
That's 1977-2012 minus the Crowe/Ford years, and Ford made the SEC championship. Certainly not outliers. The "we're just poor lil ol Arkansas" line ignores a lot of very good players, teams and seasons. The outlier is the post 4-1-2012 era.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:20 pm to Red Boarman
quote:exactly. The 4 worst seasons in Arkansas history have all happened since Petrino crashed the Harley.
The outlier is the post 4-1-2012 era.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:29 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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exactly. The 4 worst seasons in Arkansas history have all happened since Petrino crashed the Harley.
We gave up on seriousness of football with the hiring of Jeff Long then Hunter Yuracheck. They are all about dollars. Which is weird because good football teams drive up enrollment and attendance, that is true money. Not one damn person comes to Arkansas because the track teams are humming or women’s basketball is good.
This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:35 pm to FayetteNAM
quote:don’t say that. The old men will be here soon to tell you how wrong you are.
Not one damn person comes to Arkansas because the track teams are humming or women’s basketball is good.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:44 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Jeff Long hires an idiot named John L. Smith who admitted that was a mistake and then hired Bert who was a lazy drunk.
Both coaches set Arkansas back.
The boosters hired Chad.
Nuclear explosion.
Arkansas screwed up another coaching search and hired an unqualified Sam Pittman.
Both coaches set Arkansas back.
The boosters hired Chad.
Nuclear explosion.
Arkansas screwed up another coaching search and hired an unqualified Sam Pittman.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:48 pm to dchog
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Jeff Long hires an idiot named John L. Smith who admitted that was a mistake and then hired Bert who was a lazy drunk. Both coaches set Arkansas back. The boosters hired Chad, and fired Jeff Long simultaneously Nuclear explosion. Arkansas screwed up another coaching search and hired an unqualified Sam Pittman.
This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 11/21/24 at 1:30 pm to ArHog
Would a terrible program beat Tennessee, Auburn, Miss State? Are they 'terrible' programs too?
Maybe you need to find a program that you are happier with to associate with. You're not forced to be a Hog fan after all.
Maybe you need to find a program that you are happier with to associate with. You're not forced to be a Hog fan after all.
This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 11/21/24 at 1:45 pm to WonderWartHawg
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You're not forced to be a Hog fan after all.
Your tears are tasty.
Been a fan since '64.
Arkansas isn't all that because of the tards that run the football program.
Fix that, and things will be brighter.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 3:49 pm to WonderWartHawg
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Would a terrible program beat Tennessee,
That was a surprise upset that shows our upside. If we prepared that well, practiced that hard regularly we would win way more games...
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Auburn
One of the worst teams in CFB this year.
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Miss State
Terrible program. Starkvegas and that shithole they play in are terrible...
Posted on 11/21/24 at 4:41 pm to Red Boarman
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quote: holtz hattfield nutt and petrino are outliers. That's 1977-2012 minus the Crowe/Ford years, and Ford made the SEC championship. Certainly not outliers. The "we're just poor lil ol Arkansas" line ignores a lot of very good players, teams and seasons. The outlier is the post 4-1-2012 era.
Starting with Broyles we’ve had 5 coaches with successful tenures here.
144-58
60-21
55-17 (easy to forget how good Hatfield was)
75-46
34-17
Additionally we’ve had 6 coaches with losing records
9-15 Crowe
3-6 Kines
26-30
4-8
29-34
4-18
Pittman is at 28-28 I believe.
I agree and the data supports that everything post Petrino is the outlier. And the run of Broyles, Holtz and Hatfield is as good or better than any 3 consecutive coaching hires any program in our conference has made.
It’s all about making the right hire. No reason we should set expectations below 7-8 wins a season, and consider that a down year. It can and has been done.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 4:58 pm to GoldenSombrero
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And the run of Broyles, Holtz and Hatfield is as good or better than any 3 consecutive coaching hires any program in our conference has made.
Well the SWC anyway. We knew the SEC would be far more difficult when we made the move.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 5:46 pm to GoldenSombrero
Hatfield won an ACC title at Clemson and they would go decades without a conference title until Dabo. He also won a SWC title at Rice.
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