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I want pj fleck
Posted on 1/2/17 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 1/2/17 at 2:24 pm
Watching western Michigan play a good Wisconsin team and you can tell the guy just gets it. Even though their losing this team is punching way above its weight class.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 2:35 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
I want to win the lottery
Posted on 1/2/17 at 2:44 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Hell no, he's media overhyped.
Snake oil salesman.
Snake oil salesman.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 2:48 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Hiring a mid-major coach off of a single good year is kind of risky business, in my opinion. Although I'm sure someone will take the risk and snatch him up after the bowl.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 2:56 pm to VagueMessage
I remember errbody wanting the man nc state landed....
Remember Butch Jones? Dan Hawkins? Skip Holtz?
Fleck has zero recruiting connections in the south, I'm not sure if he can hire the right guys for his staff who have these connections which is the real concern with up and comers.
Remember Butch Jones? Dan Hawkins? Skip Holtz?
Fleck has zero recruiting connections in the south, I'm not sure if he can hire the right guys for his staff who have these connections which is the real concern with up and comers.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 2:59 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Can he recruit in the south?
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:02 pm to DaleDenton
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Skip Holtz?
I don't necessary think its fair to put his name in that list. He has still done a decent job imo at some lower tier schools. We haven't see what he can do at a P5 conference and he is still fairly young. Although his South Florida tenure was ugly. He recovered most of his image with these 3 consecutive years of 9 wins at LT.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:08 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Next coach or QB up amirite?
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:09 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
I'm more frustrated watching a solid, disciplined Wisconsin team playing the brand of football we are supposed to play.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:14 pm to DaleDenton
Dave Doeren came from NIU. NIU has now produced three coaches in a row that could win 11+ at that school. The third is still employed at NIU, the previous two left to go do an underwhelming job at a P5. That seems to be the way these hires always go. Some are good, some not so much.
I think Doc Holliday at Marshall has proven more than P.J. Fleck. Doc Holliday was coming off a 13–1 season and finished 3–9 this year at Marshall. Mid-majors rise and fall at meteoric levels, I think you need a larger sample size to really see what a G5 coach is made of.
Edit: Interesting note: Dave Doeren has the exact same record at NC State as Bert here, over the exact same time. 3–9, 8–5, 7–6, 7–6. 2–1 in bowls, with the loss being in the Belk bowl. Strange coincidence.
I think Doc Holliday at Marshall has proven more than P.J. Fleck. Doc Holliday was coming off a 13–1 season and finished 3–9 this year at Marshall. Mid-majors rise and fall at meteoric levels, I think you need a larger sample size to really see what a G5 coach is made of.
Edit: Interesting note: Dave Doeren has the exact same record at NC State as Bert here, over the exact same time. 3–9, 8–5, 7–6, 7–6. 2–1 in bowls, with the loss being in the Belk bowl. Strange coincidence.
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:16 pm to VagueMessage
I think you need to see them jump to a job in between the MAC and the SEC before making a move on them. See Urban Meyer as an example. He had two years at Bowling Green and then moved to Utah before Florida hired him.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:17 pm to VagueMessage
On the slip side solich and pelini were fired from Nebraska for their mediocrity both go to small schools in Ohio and have solid programs since...
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:22 pm to DaleDenton
Yeah, but Solich was far from mediocre at Nebraska. He was 58–19 overall with a national championship game appearance and never had a losing season. And I can see the logic in firing Pelini, but not if you're going to hire the Oregon State guy who doesn't appear to be any better. Nebraska has made some horrible coaching choices. They were expecting Frank Solich to be exactly like Tom Osborne, and when he predictably wasn't (but still very good), they fired him in a hasty fashion. It's been a slight downgrade in quality every coach since.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:25 pm to DaleDenton
I wouldn't call Solich or Pelini's tenures at Nebraska "mediocre." Solich followed a legend and was held to an unattainable standard (think whoever follows Saban at Bama) and Pelini is a gigantic a-hole who had irreconcilable friction with his bosses.
FWIW, Solich has been tremendous for Ohio football. During his tenure, they've been one of the winningest programs in the MAC. Prior to his arrival their futility was only matched or exceeded by Kent State and Eastern Michigan.
FWIW, Solich has been tremendous for Ohio football. During his tenure, they've been one of the winningest programs in the MAC. Prior to his arrival their futility was only matched or exceeded by Kent State and Eastern Michigan.
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:31 pm to Arkansasrazorback
Solich was an amazing coach who was, quite honestly, only slightly behind Tom Osborne's established standards when he was fired. I've always been amazed that he went to Ohio instead of being snatched up by another high profile team. Lot's of people missed a chance to potentially win or compete for an NC by letting that guy get away. Now he's 72 and couldn't really start over anywhere else.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:34 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
This is why people are so reluctant to get on board the "Fire Bert" train.
Yes, Bert has underperformed his expectations. Yes, his losses are worse than his best wins here.
However, as Arkansas fans, we are tired of listening to fans who say "We are the equals to any team in the nation, we have better resources than anyone, and we should win 10+ a year. Let's fire our coach every 3 years who doesn't do that and hire a mid-major coach who had 1 good year! Rinse, repeat!"
You guys get your jollies off to every Stan Heath-type coach who has 1 good year and think he's going to be the next Urban Meyer with all the resources at Arkansas.
How often does that work out at the actual "Top 10" schools?
Yes, Bert has underperformed his expectations. Yes, his losses are worse than his best wins here.
However, as Arkansas fans, we are tired of listening to fans who say "We are the equals to any team in the nation, we have better resources than anyone, and we should win 10+ a year. Let's fire our coach every 3 years who doesn't do that and hire a mid-major coach who had 1 good year! Rinse, repeat!"
You guys get your jollies off to every Stan Heath-type coach who has 1 good year and think he's going to be the next Urban Meyer with all the resources at Arkansas.
How often does that work out at the actual "Top 10" schools?
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:36 pm to VagueMessage
Yea it's almost certain that he'll retire there and Ohio fans are very happy about that. He's worshipped there and rightfully so for what he has done for the Ohio program.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:43 pm to Arkansasrazorback
The ad in the presser for the firing of Solich stated Nebraska would not settle for mediocrity.
Similar words were said with pelini, on the outside mediocrity isn't the word used to describe Nebraska under both.
It's an unintended lesson of perspective that is lost when looking at only your program that Nebraska has still yet to learn...
Similar words were said with pelini, on the outside mediocrity isn't the word used to describe Nebraska under both.
It's an unintended lesson of perspective that is lost when looking at only your program that Nebraska has still yet to learn...
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:46 pm to Kilgore Snout
I was among those who were reluctant, and I also don't have an interest in hiring the one good year flash-in-the-pan types, as I said in my first post in this topic. 25–26 in four years isn't really knee-jerk anymore.
I get what you're saying, but there has to eventually be a dividing line. The years will slowly pile up, and the point of a slightly hasty firing will eventually become a coach who has stayed for way too long. If we win 7 or 8 again next year (or fewer. That's highly possible) with a couple of embarrassing losses or blown big leads, will five years still be too soon?
Also, we're not talking about firing a coach who wins 10+ most years like Solich, Brown, Miles, or Richt. We're talking about firing a coach with a sub-.500 record.
I get what you're saying, but there has to eventually be a dividing line. The years will slowly pile up, and the point of a slightly hasty firing will eventually become a coach who has stayed for way too long. If we win 7 or 8 again next year (or fewer. That's highly possible) with a couple of embarrassing losses or blown big leads, will five years still be too soon?
Also, we're not talking about firing a coach who wins 10+ most years like Solich, Brown, Miles, or Richt. We're talking about firing a coach with a sub-.500 record.
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:50 pm to VagueMessage
We are also talking about a coach who had to rebuild a program from top to bottom, a program that was in utter disarray with no assembled plan via recruiting going to forward by the previous staff for three years prior to his hiring.
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