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re: I want pj fleck
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:58 pm to DaleDenton
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:58 pm to DaleDenton
No matter the circumstances, four years is plenty of time to establish your identity and turn around a college football program. Most P5 programs give you that amount of time or even less. Now that a little time has passed, I think most are ok with fatty getting year five and I am too. However, IMO, the bottom line for wins to keep his job next year should be 9 in the regular season. I suppose I could live with eight if none of the losses are embarrassments or blowouts. It's time for fatty to back up his mouth and the fact that Rory Seagrest and Robb Smith remain employed makes me doubt that will happen.
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 4:03 pm to Arkansasrazorback
He has established his team's identity and turned the program around.
It has been showed in wins to this point, but the program as a whole is in much better shape than it was the last years under Petrino or Nutt.
The fact that the complaints of the program are solely on the field should clue you in to that...
It has been showed in wins to this point, but the program as a whole is in much better shape than it was the last years under Petrino or Nutt.
The fact that the complaints of the program are solely on the field should clue you in to that...
Posted on 1/2/17 at 4:19 pm to DaleDenton
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It has been showed in wins to this point, but the program as a whole is in much better shape than it was the last years under Petrino or Nutt.
The fact that the complaints of the program are solely on the field should clue you in to that...
I'm not going to disagree with that. However, to what extent is that tradeoff worth it? The extra stuff is nice to brag about, but it's mostly for Jeff Long to brag about, not us. We watch the Hogs for Hog athletics. If the athletic department is underperforming in athletics, a course of action must eventually be taken, no? In your opinion, what will have to happen for Bielema to be doing a bad enough job to be fired?
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm not upset that we won 7 games this year. I'm upset that we won 7 because we lost two games we had less than zero business losing, and then lost four more by 3+ touchdowns - mostly to teams with only one or two more wins than us. I wasn't ever upset that we won 8 last year. I was upset because we lost one game we had less than zero business losing, and lost another to a very inferior opponent (probably because we just lost the week prior to Toledo). We can win 7 games without looking like morons in the process. I'm worried that Bert is winning 7 games because 8/9 is his ceiling, his best case scenario. It really bothers me that we looked like we did and no one involved appears to be worried about the consequences of it. There SHOULD be consequences, or at least the obvious threat of repercussions if things don't start improving in short order.
I'm not quite as melty as I was after the VTech loss. He's coming back for a fifth year and I guess I'm OK with that. We may not have the potential of a program like LSU, but we have more potential than we're showing. I'd like to find a way to start living up to it.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 4:23 pm to VagueMessage
Changes still can and likely will be made to the staff, just as people are melting over the time taken to make replacement hires in the past.
Consequences for not meeting defined goals can be made and defined, however it's never worked well for these to be in the public's eye.
Consequences for not meeting defined goals can be made and defined, however it's never worked well for these to be in the public's eye.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 4:29 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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However, IMO, the bottom line for wins to keep his job next year should be 9 in the regular season. I suppose I could live with eight if none of the losses are embarrassments or blowouts.
I agree with this but, barring something unforsee, he will be the coach for the next two years.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:15 pm to DaleDenton
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Fleck has zero recruiting connections in the south, I'm not sure if he can hire the right guys for his staff who have these connections which is the real concern with up and comers.
Though it's not a deal breaker, this has got to be a top priority when hiring the next football coach.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:26 pm to Feral
It's more important for an up and comer, shite look at Gus at Auburn and the big money they have to over pay for a decent coach to fill his shite staff.
The established hc who has steadily worked his way up will have created these vast connections over time, that is a driving factor to a coaches salary IMO.
However, the hc is likely to hire a coach who fits their philosophy on each side of the ball and that rarely changes abruptly. Tuberville being facisnated by the spread his a good example even if it cost him his job at Auburn and his results were subpar post switch.
The established hc who has steadily worked his way up will have created these vast connections over time, that is a driving factor to a coaches salary IMO.
However, the hc is likely to hire a coach who fits their philosophy on each side of the ball and that rarely changes abruptly. Tuberville being facisnated by the spread his a good example even if it cost him his job at Auburn and his results were subpar post switch.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:51 pm to DaleDenton
Why shite on Maughan? They blasted us this year, has only list to bert once, is playing in the sugar Bowl right now, and was close to winning a national title in his first year. You can hate him all you like but the man knows how to coach football
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:54 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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They blasted us this year, has only list to bert once, is playing in the sugar Bowl right now, and was close to winning a national title in his first year. You can hate him all you like but the man knows how to coach football
The only real negative I see about Gus right now is his questionable choices around his staff at times. The Steele hire looks good atm but they could all change next year. He likes to hire "yes men" imo.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:56 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
None of that has anything to do with the truth of him having a shite staff and over paying to get "big-time" assistants to work for him who have left for the first available job after one season.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:58 pm to DaleDenton
Idc what the staff looks like or how much we pay them if we won as much as Auburn
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:01 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
I guess you missed the first half of the season where their fanbase wanted him fired and forced him to give up play calling.
Guess what, they lose to OU and that will all start up once again...
Guess what, they lose to OU and that will all start up once again...
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:02 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Idc what the staff looks like or how much we pay them if we won as much as Auburn
Auburn job =/= Arkansas job
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:06 pm to rockiee
Exactly.. so idc how much we pay our assistant coaches or how much turnover we had if we won as much as they did 
and to dales point yes Auburn was ready to fire him earlier in the season in a year he takes them to the sugar Bowl. I wouldn't be that picky because I know our program isn't on Auburn level.
and to dales point yes Auburn was ready to fire him earlier in the season in a year he takes them to the sugar Bowl. I wouldn't be that picky because I know our program isn't on Auburn level. Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:10 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
You still missed the point, let me dumb it down for you.
Auburn spends more on football than anyone else in the sec.
They have been a pretty easy program to recruit too.
They hire an up an comer and he can't fill out a staff with a name worth a damn without over paying for said asssistant. That assistant leaves after one season for the same job elsewhere except muschamp who somehow landed the scar job.
Auburn spends more on football than anyone else in the sec.
They have been a pretty easy program to recruit too.
They hire an up an comer and he can't fill out a staff with a name worth a damn without over paying for said asssistant. That assistant leaves after one season for the same job elsewhere except muschamp who somehow landed the scar job.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:12 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Exactly.. so idc how much we pay our assistant coaches or how much turnover we had if we won as much as they did
Well, my point is we wouldn't win as much as them with Gus as our head coach. We certainly wouldn't have gone to the NC in his first year. I don't think he is bad at all but he wouldn't have the same win total here as he does at Auburn.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:18 pm to rockiee
I don't think we would win as much either. But I think he could have an 8 or 9 win season here every few years at least which is all I really wanna see. Maybe hit double digits every 3 or 4 years
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:20 pm to DaleDenton
Again I understand what your saying. But who cares about keeping coaches around if you don't win shite Idc if we overpay if we win. And Idk how you define overpaying. In the sec every coordinator is gonna get paid alot of money
Idc if we overpay if we win. And Idk how you define overpaying. In the sec every coordinator is gonna get paid alot of moneyPosted on 1/2/17 at 8:23 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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But I think he could have an 8 or 9 win season here every few years at least which is all I really wanna see
8 is probably a fair enough assessment.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:26 pm to rockiee
8 regular season wins I should've clarified
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