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Help thinking of a historical example
Posted on 11/27/22 at 9:21 am
Posted on 11/27/22 at 9:21 am
Where a coach went .500 (or worse) in his 3rd season and then went on to have significant success at the same program. Any sport.
Closest I can think of would be Frank Martin who went 17-16 in his 3rd season at USC, then went to a Final 4 before falling off a cliff again
Closest I can think of would be Frank Martin who went 17-16 in his 3rd season at USC, then went to a Final 4 before falling off a cliff again
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 9:27 am to The Sultan of Swine
Didn't check records but Harbaugh's turn around has been impressive. I was confident he was done for. I'm sure he did too.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 9:35 am to The Sultan of Swine
Dabo, Tom Osborne, Fulmer and Mack Brown are the only coaches who won a championship after year 5, that hadn’t won one previously.
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 11:13 am to Billy Blanks
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Didn't check records but Harbaugh's turn around has been impressive. I was confident he was done for. I'm sure he did too.
He was 49-22 when people thought he’d be getting fired soon. They definitely have a different standard than most programs.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 11:22 am to TheCheshireHog
They have higher standards than Arkansas. They can go 10-2 with a loss to Ohio State and still feel heavy pressure.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 11:34 am to dchog
Just my opinion, but all of these ups and downs come with the territory of hiring someone who’s never ran their own program before. Experienced head coaches probably have past precedents to pull from, but Pittman is going through everything for the first time as the head guy.
I like Pittman so I’m hoping be figures it out going forward, but eventually he’s gonna be what his record says he is.
I like Pittman so I’m hoping be figures it out going forward, but eventually he’s gonna be what his record says he is.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 11:49 am to TheCheshireHog
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He was 49-22 when people thought he’d be getting fired soon. They definitely have a different standard than most programs.
I still remember arguing with everyone about this and saying it was crazy to think about firing him. He took over after one of their worst stretches in a while and the improvement was obvious even if he had some dud games.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 11:50 am to PrescriptionPig
In his first season, he surprised people having his team work harder than his opponents. Critics say that it was a fluke and Arkansas wouldn't go bowling and breaking in a new QB. They exceeded expectations last year.
This year, he and Arkansas were targeted and had to be taken more seriously. Highest expectations in years and were rank. Sam didn't embrace the expectations and I felt after hiring Sexton that began slacking off.
His lack of game preparation is terrible. He had games of 21-0, 21-0, 17-0 and 28-0. How do you expect to win when the team runs out onto the field not ready to play?
Arkansas had four losses of three points or less. After the aggies beat LSU last night, Arkansas would have been a three way tie for the West with LSU and Alabama.
This year, he and Arkansas were targeted and had to be taken more seriously. Highest expectations in years and were rank. Sam didn't embrace the expectations and I felt after hiring Sexton that began slacking off.
His lack of game preparation is terrible. He had games of 21-0, 21-0, 17-0 and 28-0. How do you expect to win when the team runs out onto the field not ready to play?
Arkansas had four losses of three points or less. After the aggies beat LSU last night, Arkansas would have been a three way tie for the West with LSU and Alabama.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 11:54 am to PrescriptionPig
I doubt he figures it out because he doesn't know how. He gets advice from Odom who has some head coaching experience but got canned at Missouri.
If Sam had the Saban staff of former head coaches then he would be in a better situation right now.
If Sam had the Saban staff of former head coaches then he would be in a better situation right now.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 12:29 pm to dchog
To me that’s the thing though, if everyone knew how to figure it out they’d all be doing it. We see coaches light it up at one place then fall on their face at the next. Seems to be a lot of luck and timing involved everywhere.
I hope he’s trusting his gut and not following Odoms advice as the gospel, because if he fails at least he’ll know he was doing it his way.
I hope he’s trusting his gut and not following Odoms advice as the gospel, because if he fails at least he’ll know he was doing it his way.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 8:31 pm to PrescriptionPig
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Just my opinion, but all of these ups and downs come with the territory of hiring someone who’s never ran their own program before
Honestly that’s just been Arkansas football in general in the SEC. Nutt was notorious for those 4-5 win seasons followed by 8-9 wins the next. We’ve always been inconsistent as a program not sure if it has to do with experience doing it or not.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 11:25 pm to The Sultan of Swine
Frank beamer won two games in his sixth year.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 4:18 am to LittleRockHog501
Guy Lewis didn't have a winning season until his 4th year at Houston, but I don't know if you'd consider his success "significant".
Posted on 11/28/22 at 5:38 am to The Sultan of Swine
The best, most recent example is Dabo Swinney.
4-3 in interim year
9-5 in second year
6-7 in third year
His first three years were very similar to Pittman’s — weird first year (interim/covid, uptick to 9 wins in second, and back down to .500 in third — and both were career position coaches who had no coordinator experience.
Since his third year he’s won 10 games every season. You know how he turned it around? He turned over his coordinators and got rid of Billy Napier and Kevin Steele. Pittman needs to take a page out of his book.
4-3 in interim year
9-5 in second year
6-7 in third year
His first three years were very similar to Pittman’s — weird first year (interim/covid, uptick to 9 wins in second, and back down to .500 in third — and both were career position coaches who had no coordinator experience.
Since his third year he’s won 10 games every season. You know how he turned it around? He turned over his coordinators and got rid of Billy Napier and Kevin Steele. Pittman needs to take a page out of his book.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 6:11 am to Feral
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Since his third year he’s won 10 games every season. You know how he turned it around? He turned over his coordinators and got rid of Billy Napier and Kevin Steele. Pittman needs to take a page out of his book.
I have been thinking/saying we would most likely have two coordinators by next year. Whether that be because they are head coaches or OC/DC elsewhere, I don’t know.
But turnover is usually 3ish years.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 6:13 am to FayetteNAM
Hopefully that means we did what Clemson did, and get a Chad Morris, which everyone says was because of his offensive prowess, it wasn’t. Morris was a great recruiter. He modernized that for Clemson, he did what Sam had done and made you feel like family, so you couldn’t turn him down.
We need two coordinators like that. Someone Sam can say these are the measurable I like and want, I will take flyers on players but fill these holes.
We need two coordinators like that. Someone Sam can say these are the measurable I like and want, I will take flyers on players but fill these holes.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 7:07 am to Feral
That’s a good one. Not sure if it's fair to count an interim year since it costs an off-season. Covid is sort of similar though
Posted on 11/28/22 at 7:18 am to Feral
Dabo like Pittman was learning on the job. The big difference is in age. Dabo was barely 40 and Sam is in his early 60s.
Posted on 12/4/22 at 3:01 am to The Sultan of Swine
Willie Fritz was 6-6 in year 5 and 2-10 in year 6
This year he's 11-2 and taking Tulane to the Cotton Bowl
This year he's 11-2 and taking Tulane to the Cotton Bowl
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