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Can one of you Lane Kiffin fans explain to me why he's so good?
Posted on 11/7/19 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 11/7/19 at 2:20 pm
Is this just a matter of "he's the best we can get?" He had one average season at Tennessee before he left them high and dry. Then he got fired at USC because he couldn't win at the easiest job in the Pac 12. Then he bumped heads and burned bridges with Nick Saban as Alabama's OC. Now he's at FAU with mixed results. One good season, one bad, and one with the jury still out.
He reminds me of Bobby Petrino without all the offensive panache. I guess we could definitely do far worse than Kiffin, but he's an astounding number of people's #1 pick.
He reminds me of Bobby Petrino without all the offensive panache. I guess we could definitely do far worse than Kiffin, but he's an astounding number of people's #1 pick.
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Posted on 11/7/19 at 2:25 pm to VagueMessage
He is not my #1 by any means....
but,
1. Dude can recruit.
2. Dude gets the younger gen, and uses social media well.
3. Dude can coach fairly well overall, needs a staff of recruiters and coaches especially on D
4. ALL I GOT>
but,
1. Dude can recruit.
2. Dude gets the younger gen, and uses social media well.
3. Dude can coach fairly well overall, needs a staff of recruiters and coaches especially on D
4. ALL I GOT>
Posted on 11/7/19 at 2:30 pm to Razorback Reverend
Was my #1 choice 2 years ago. Figured worst case if he flamed out we'd be in a better position talent wise. Given the experience with Morris the past 2 season; Kiffin makes me more nervous because we can't afford to have another failed hire.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 2:33 pm to VagueMessage
He would troll tf out of the sec
Posted on 11/7/19 at 2:50 pm to GoldenSombrero
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Given the experience with Morris the past 2 season; Kiffin makes me more nervous because we can't afford to have another failed hire.
That is my concern. Now he might have turned the corner and be off to the races. We could look back at not hiring him and kick ourselves. But if he flames out like he has done before we would be in real trouble.
The question is whether there are any sure bets left out there though. We are going to have to roll the dice with whoever we pick I fear.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 2:58 pm to VagueMessage
I'm not his biggest fan, although it would be a fun ride but you really aren't being fair to his story whether you meant to or not.
They were coming off a 5 win season and he did a great job with that team. There is a reason Tennessee was so mad he left, should have beaten Bama too but a blocked fg saved Saban.
They were dealing with scholarship issues after Pete left. He did at the very least a decent job with what he was working with.
Look at FAU history before he was there. The previous seven years before Lane. FAU won less than 4 games every year except for once when they won 6. They were a very bad program before Lane.
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He had one average season at Tennessee before he left them high and dry.
They were coming off a 5 win season and he did a great job with that team. There is a reason Tennessee was so mad he left, should have beaten Bama too but a blocked fg saved Saban.
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Then he got fired at USC because he couldn't win at the easiest job in the Pac 12.
They were dealing with scholarship issues after Pete left. He did at the very least a decent job with what he was working with.
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Now he's at FAU with mixed results. One good season, one bad, and one with the jury still out.
Look at FAU history before he was there. The previous seven years before Lane. FAU won less than 4 games every year except for once when they won 6. They were a very bad program before Lane.
This post was edited on 11/7/19 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 11/7/19 at 3:18 pm to Arksulli
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The question is whether there are any sure bets left out there though. We are going to have to roll the dice with whoever we pick I fear.
True. Maybe I'll feel different once Morris is gone; but I'm not sure Saban or Meyer calling the hogs would excite me much at this point until I see results on the field.
I don't know if I can take another offseason so quickly where we start talking about everything great a new coaching staff is bringing to the table, new S&C program is so much better than the last, this OL coach put X number of guys in the NFL, blah, blah.
Normally when we go thru this it's been at least 4-5 years that we forget how excited we were when said coach arrived. I feel like Morris just started yesterday and we had to buy into his shtick just to have something positive to look forward to. I don't see that happening this time around, for me anyways.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 3:29 pm to rockiee
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Look at FAU history before he was there. The previous seven years before Lane. FAU won less than 4 games every year except for once when they won 6. They were a very bad program before Lane.
Although Lane has proven much, much more than what Morris has in his career, this argument is going to have me gun shy for a long time when thinking about potential coaches.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 3:30 pm to GoldenSombrero
I'm the same way. Can't really get excited about anyone we hire. Just look at Scott Frost - went 13-0 his last season at UCF and then went 4-8 and now 4-5 at Nebraska while UCF has gone 12-1 and 7-2 without him.
He was the hottest name that offseason and was thought to be a slam dunk but it hasn't worked out yet.
He was the hottest name that offseason and was thought to be a slam dunk but it hasn't worked out yet.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 3:47 pm to gohogs141
Which is why mike leach and les miles should be our top 2 candidates. (Mike much higher than les). These guys have both coached in and around the sec. they are old school guys who believe in hard work and accountability who are gonna be able to mold young men. We need someone who knows how to run a program and be a little bit of a hardass. Mike leach has turned around 2 absolute dumpster fires. Look at Texas tech before and after leach and look at Washington state before they hired leach and look what he’s done since he’s been there. The results speak for themselves. The guy wins wherever he goes and he would win here. Guaranteed
Posted on 11/7/19 at 3:51 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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les miles
frick no
Posted on 11/7/19 at 4:33 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Which is why mike leach and les miles should be our top 2 candidates. (Mike much higher than les). These guys have both coached in and around the sec. they are old school guys who believe in hard work and accountability who are gonna be able to mold young men. We need someone who knows how to run a program and be a little bit of a hardass. Mike leach has turned around 2 absolute dumpster fires. Look at Texas tech before and after leach and look at Washington state before they hired leach and look what he’s done since he’s been there. The results speak for themselves. The guy wins wherever he goes and he would win here. Guaranteed
I'd stick with Morris for another year before going after Miles honestly. Nothing against Miles but he has nothing left to prove IMO.
Not directed at you but Miles, Richt, Butch Davis, Tuberville (running for Senate so at least we don't have to hear that rumor this time) etc, remind me WAY too much of us hiring Danny Ford. I'm sure some Hog fans don't know, but Ford won a NC at Clemson in the early 80's. He was a great coach at one time, but by the time we got him he just didn't have it anymore.
So hearing Miles (and Leach to a lesser degree as he hasn't reached the pinnacle of coaching success yet) seems like history repeating itself.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 4:40 pm to VagueMessage
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Can one of you Lane Kiffin fans explain to me why he's so good?
Not a fan of Lane Kiffin.
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Posted on 11/7/19 at 4:54 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Which is why mike leach and les miles should be our top 2 candidates. (Mike much higher than les). These guys have both coached in and around the sec. they are old school guys who believe in hard work and accountability who are gonna be able to mold young men. We need someone who knows how to run a program and be a little bit of a hardass. Mike leach has turned around 2 absolute dumpster fires. Look at Texas tech before and after leach and look at Washington state before they hired leach and look what he’s done since he’s been there. The results speak for themselves. The guy wins wherever he goes and he would win here. Guaranteed
I don't believe that Les Miles could ever have had anywhere close to the success at Washington State or Texas Tech that Mike Leach has had. And I have nothing against Les.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 5:09 pm to HogX
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Although Lane has proven much, much more than what Morris has in his career, this argument is going to have me gun shy for a long time when thinking about potential coaches.
Eh, they were on different levels though. Chad Morris maxed at 7 wins in year 3. Lane reached 11 in year 1 after a 3 win season by the previous coach.
Having said that, last year for Kiffin was a little concerning with only 5 wins but looks on pace to win at least 8 this year which is back on track.
Chad Morris in three years at SMU: 14 wins
Lane Kiffin in three years at FAU (still at least 4 games left): 22 wins
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Posted on 11/7/19 at 5:29 pm to VagueMessage
Never been a huge Kiffin guy myself, I can't really follow why some folks have him as a clear #1. He's obviously better than what we've got now, but I don't think he's the answer to get us where we want to be.
There's a LOT of smoke behind Norvell right now anyway, if things happened today I think he'd be the guy. The right people are finally paying attention it seems.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 5:52 pm to RazorBroncs
Kiffin would NOT be a bad hire imo. We could do way worse. He brings instant credibility. He knows what its like to compete in the SEC. He knows the players and coaches that he's going to need to compete here. But once again we would making one more change in our offensive system. Which, doesn't really help things at all.
I am forced to wonder if that HUNH spread Morris and Norvell run could win big here at Arkansas. I believe that Kiffin's offense would likely be a better option long term than say Norvells.
It would be a close call. Would Kiffin recruit better than Norvell? Would Kiffin evaluate better than Norvell? BC whoever we pick is going to likely need at least two years to bring in and develop talent. In fact, I would be ok with giving Morris more time IF IF IF he hadn't shown himself to be a horrid evaluator of QB talent and a shitty play caller to date.
I'd be tempted to go with Kiffin. Why? Bc in the short term we are going to need a slower more methodical offense until we can build depth on the defensive side of the ball. Thats a built in disadvantage for Norvell, moreso in our situation.
I am forced to wonder if that HUNH spread Morris and Norvell run could win big here at Arkansas. I believe that Kiffin's offense would likely be a better option long term than say Norvells.
It would be a close call. Would Kiffin recruit better than Norvell? Would Kiffin evaluate better than Norvell? BC whoever we pick is going to likely need at least two years to bring in and develop talent. In fact, I would be ok with giving Morris more time IF IF IF he hadn't shown himself to be a horrid evaluator of QB talent and a shitty play caller to date.
I'd be tempted to go with Kiffin. Why? Bc in the short term we are going to need a slower more methodical offense until we can build depth on the defensive side of the ball. Thats a built in disadvantage for Norvell, moreso in our situation.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 8:22 pm to SpauldingHog
I have a tough time getting excited about kiffin. That frat boy persona can frick right off and he'll jump ship at the first opportunity anyway.... Just like he did at Tenner.
Leach would come down to Fayetteville, show his arse and piss a bunch of people off, but still get his arse handed to him by the sec west at the end of the day like everybody else we've had here. The entertainment alone would be worth our time lol
Norvell seems like a solid gamble. I'd take Scott frost, and after looking at pj flecks record, why the frick didn't we hire him 2 years ago instead of Mr 14-22 or whatever.
shite just let hunter yuracheck do his thing... If his basketball hire is any indication, he knows what he's doing.
Leach would come down to Fayetteville, show his arse and piss a bunch of people off, but still get his arse handed to him by the sec west at the end of the day like everybody else we've had here. The entertainment alone would be worth our time lol
Norvell seems like a solid gamble. I'd take Scott frost, and after looking at pj flecks record, why the frick didn't we hire him 2 years ago instead of Mr 14-22 or whatever.
shite just let hunter yuracheck do his thing... If his basketball hire is any indication, he knows what he's doing.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 11:17 pm to VagueMessage
His team recently (as in a year ago or more) had a game where they tallied over 800 yards of offense. That's why.
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Posted on 11/8/19 at 5:16 am to VagueMessage
Kiffin was my #1 last time. I worry Norvell inherited a great situation at Memphis. I really just want someone who can recruit Line of Scrimmage players and bring good coordinators with him. Is there anyone like that besides Ed O
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