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Posted on 12/19/23 at 1:53 pm to dchog
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The difference in the 60s, 70s and 80s to now is the level of coaching.
We have hired a string of shitty coaches to be certain, but the entire football landscape has changed recently. We can hire Nick Saban or Kirby Smart tomorrow, but if they don't have the money to go out and buy the same level of players they have been buying for the last 10-15 years, they will only have marginal improvement in success here.
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It helped that Frank Broyles cared about the program and cracked a whip that put pressure on these coaches.
Frank Broyles cared more about his legacy than the program in the end. He played a large part in running a National Championship basketball coach off, and kept Hooten Dale around long after he should have been fired.
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Now no one cares.
I don't think this is the case. I think we have a lot of folks, money folks, administration folks, and regular fans, who want to run the program as if we are subject to get the SMU treatment from the NCAA, when the NCAA has been pretty much neutered. Combine that with the fact that we play football in a conference that has proven time and again that it's members will do whatever it takes to have success on the football field, and the handcuffs that we have put on ourselves become rather obvious. As long as the goal is to remain squeaky clean, the beatings will continue.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 2:25 pm to troyt37
Arkansas has money but they just don't want to spend it.
Saban and Smart would improve Arkansas because they demand what is needed to win. However Arkansas wouldn't pay up then and they certainly aren't doing it now.
Frank didn't run off Nolan, he wanted to be fired and he got his wish.
Frank in his prime, wouldn't have tolerated Nutt not the old washed up AD that retired.
It is the case with the administration and not the fans who have no power or involved with the decision making unless they not support the program at all.
Saban and Smart would improve Arkansas because they demand what is needed to win. However Arkansas wouldn't pay up then and they certainly aren't doing it now.
Frank didn't run off Nolan, he wanted to be fired and he got his wish.
Frank in his prime, wouldn't have tolerated Nutt not the old washed up AD that retired.
It is the case with the administration and not the fans who have no power or involved with the decision making unless they not support the program at all.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 2:41 pm to dchog
The crazy thing is, Missouri has won 10+ games SIX times since 2006 which is twice the amount of times we've won double digit games in that span - and we cling on to the Petrino years so tightly.
They've been a better program than us for a while even if they were in the Big 12, it's not just a recent thing. I don't really care if they've had an easier schedule or not because they've beaten us and we've lost to trash teams regardless.
They've been a better program than us for a while even if they were in the Big 12, it's not just a recent thing. I don't really care if they've had an easier schedule or not because they've beaten us and we've lost to trash teams regardless.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 2:53 pm to gohogs141
quote:yeah anybody who thinks we’d have been better in the big 12 is kidding themselves. We would’ve lost to Iowa state, OU, Ok state, Texas, Texas tech, tcu and Baylor more times than not. Hell Kansas would’ve probably beaten us a few times the past 10 years as well. Just look at our non con record these past 10 years. We don’t suck because we’re in the sec. We suck because our coaches have sucked and our admin allows it.
The crazy thing is, Missouri has won 10+ games SIX times since 2006 which is twice the amount of times we've won double digit games in that span - and we cling on to the Petrino years so tightly. They've been a better program than us for a while even if they were in the Big 12, it's not just a recent thing. I don't really care if they've had an easier schedule or not because they've beaten us and we've lost to trash teams regardless.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 3:19 pm to dchog
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Arkansas has money but they just don't want to spend it.
Arkansas does not have the kind of money that gets thrown around by the big spenders in college football. It's just a reality many don't want to admit or face.
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Frank didn't run off Nolan, he wanted to be fired and he got his wish.
They are both at fault, certainly.
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It is the case with the administration and not the fans who have no power or involved with the decision making unless they not support the program at all.
The fault with the fans is unrealistic expectations. Look at FSU and Mike Norvell. 3-6 his first season, 5-7 his second season. 75% of our fanbase would have been calling for his head after the first season. I'm not saying we should have kept Chaggy, because there is a big difference between not having the personnel and playing shitty football, I'm saying even if we bumblefrick into the right kind of young, smart coach, most of our fanbase won't want him around long enough to get the benefits of sticking with him. Which I think substantially lessens our chances of ever getting a coach like that.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 7:05 pm to troyt37
They do have the money but use that money to pump up baseball and basketball. They aren't doing so with football because it has been a terrible investment the last decade.
The Grove collective started in January 2022 and has surpassed 10 million in NIL money. That money isn't coming from average Ole Miss fans but Ole Miss big money. Go look at what they are doing in the transfer portal, they are killing it.
Here is the article The Grove Collective
What is Arkansas doing? Well they did start an NIL collective but where was it? I and other hog fans didn't know it existed. So that was done away with due to poor advertising and marketing. So Arkansas almost two years later started an NIL collective after Ole Miss. So that puts Arkansas way behind the eight ball.
It seems as Arkansas was trying to resist the NIL as much as they could while Ole Miss said hell with it, we wanna win and we gonna throw as much money as we can in NIL.
The Grove collective started in January 2022 and has surpassed 10 million in NIL money. That money isn't coming from average Ole Miss fans but Ole Miss big money. Go look at what they are doing in the transfer portal, they are killing it.
Here is the article The Grove Collective
What is Arkansas doing? Well they did start an NIL collective but where was it? I and other hog fans didn't know it existed. So that was done away with due to poor advertising and marketing. So Arkansas almost two years later started an NIL collective after Ole Miss. So that puts Arkansas way behind the eight ball.
It seems as Arkansas was trying to resist the NIL as much as they could while Ole Miss said hell with it, we wanna win and we gonna throw as much money as we can in NIL.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 7:15 pm to Hawgeye
This will be a fun thread to bump as Sam has success here
Posted on 12/19/23 at 7:27 pm to hawgfaninc
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hawgfaninc
There’s absolutely no way that Sam Pittman has the success here that Nutt or Petrino did. Asking him to get back to Bert levels is seeming a bit extreme at this point.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 7:33 pm to Hawgeye
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There’s absolutely no way that Sam Pittman has the success here that Nutt or Petrino did.
I can see that possibly being the case.
But right now I personally give him 60% chance he succeeds, and 40% he doesn’t.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 7:52 pm to Hawgeye
We royally fricked up not hiring Lane
Posted on 12/19/23 at 7:53 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
The SEC is more top heavy. The middle and lower Big 12 teams aren't much different in talent than the middle and lower SEC teams.
Arkansas would still suck in the Big 12.
Arkansas would still suck in the Big 12.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 7:58 pm to hawgfaninc
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But right now I personally give him 60% chance he succeeds, and 40% he doesn’t.
A 60% chance of him succeeding to get fired midway through next season maybe.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 6:20 am to Hawgeye
Living 22 years of my life in the NWA bubble/echo chamber and graduating in 2010 gave me some serious myopia surrounding Arkansas and our program.
Being away the last 13 years really gave me perspective of how small and insignificant the state and program are nationally.
When you turn on Iowa State, Rutgers, Minnesota, Nebraska, Maryland, Oregon State, or Washington State the last 5-10 and think “who are these players and coaches?”
And then comes to grips with the fact that there is still 50 feet of shite between us and them, it really sets you straight.
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Being away the last 13 years really gave me perspective of how small and insignificant the state and program are nationally.
When you turn on Iowa State, Rutgers, Minnesota, Nebraska, Maryland, Oregon State, or Washington State the last 5-10 and think “who are these players and coaches?”
And then comes to grips with the fact that there is still 50 feet of shite between us and them, it really sets you straight.
Dear Facebook
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 6:38 am
Posted on 12/22/23 at 3:23 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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yeah anybody who thinks we’d have been better in the big 12 is kidding themselves. We would’ve lost to Iowa state, OU, Ok state, Texas, Texas tech, tcu and Baylor more times than not. Hell Kansas would’ve probably beaten us a few times the past 10 years as well. Just look at our non con record these past 10 years. We don’t suck because we’re in the sec. We suck because our coaches have sucked and our admin allows it.
100% disagree. We would’ve owned the Big12 in the Petrino years. Would’ve played LSU for a Natty in 2011. Would’ve lost of course. But that would have given us some major momentum. Under Bert we were consistently better than most of the Big12, save for Oklahoma and maybe Baylor. With our success there I would argue that our “down years” over the past 7-8 seasons would never have happened. Bert would’ve had success and the next coach wouldn’t been a better hire.
As far as off the football field, we are much better off in the SEC. But when looking at JUST football, had we been in the Big12 we would’ve been MUCH more nationally relevant than we’ve ever been in the SEC
Posted on 12/22/23 at 3:34 pm to CFB_Fanatic
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Under Bert we were consistently better than most of the Big12, save for Oklahoma and maybe Baylor.
We lost to Texas Tech with maybe his best team though (toss up IMO between 2014 and 2015). He split against TCU as well.
I do think under Petrino we would have been dominant but obviously we were great those years regardless. Even then, we were fortunate to win in 2011 against terrible Vanderbilt and Ole Miss teams so if we had played Oklahoma State on those weeks that year it wouldn’t have ended well. OSU would have made the playoff that year if it existed.
College football is just so weird and you can get different teams each week. We looked really good that year with plenty of time to prepare against Kansas State.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 4:25 pm to gohogs141
Yeah bert proved that had we been in the big 12 we wouldn’t have done any better. If you can lose to Toledo and Rutgers you can lose to anybody
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Posted on 12/22/23 at 4:39 pm to CFB_Fanatic
Bert would still go 7-5 with that team in the Big 12.
His coaching is the same suckage as Pittman.
His coaching is the same suckage as Pittman.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 4:43 pm to gohogs141
That team currently has roughly 12-13 players that are NFL starters or on NFL depth charts.
If Petrino had that team, he would win 10-11 games in the regular season.
If Petrino had that team, he would win 10-11 games in the regular season.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 6:37 am to gohogs141
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We lost to Texas Tech with maybe his best team though (toss up IMO between 2014 and 2015). He split against TCU as well.
Usually I’m pretty cynical. But wasn’t there this guy playing QB for tech who has several Super Bowl rings(and we were always weak on pass and qbs who could run)? I’m blanking on his name… Think he throws the ball to Travis Kelce quite a bit these days.
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