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Posted on 1/16/21 at 3:27 pm to
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 3:27 pm to
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So is the honeymoon with Muss over?

He does appear to be trying to go full on pelphrey. I hope he pulls outta this tailspin though. I mean I know these are good teams but the energy we had against tennessee hasn't been back since
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 3:31 pm to
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Starting to think Musselmen reminds me of Chad.

It's far more frustrating. Musselman knows the game extremely well while chad clearly had a tenuous grasp. The problem appears to be in the team he built gelling. Which would be a 1 year concern if his history in college didn't involve transfer built teams consistently.....
Posted by STLhog
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 3:34 pm to
Knowing the game doesn’t necessarily equate to recruiting and successfully building teams in the SEC.

Two games like this in a row is ridiculous.
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 3:35 pm to
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The problem appears to be in the team he built gelling.
This is what I see, too. It's obvious from last year Musselman can coach. Damn near made the tournament with literally zero inside threat. That said, I don't know if everyone is buying in this year and that worries me. The offense isn't as fluid, the commitment on defense isn't the same, and overall everything just looks sloppier. That's not a good look for a coach that wants to build teams by plugging in transfers to gel for 1 or 2 years every year. If he can't get new guys to buy in on a consistent basis, that's going to cause him issues.
Posted by Raz4back
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 3:51 pm to
The problem is taking mid major transfers and depending on them to be anything more than a role player. Tate is not good enough to be a power 5 PG and Notae damn sure isn’t good enough to be taking 10+ shots per game. Neither one of them are worth a damn on the defensive end either.
This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 3:52 pm
Posted by gohogs141
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 3:59 pm to
Yeah I’m disappointed I thought Tate was going to be a really good defender similar to Whitt. Dude was 3 time DPOY in his conference lol
Posted by STLhog
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 3:59 pm to
What about transfers from power 5? Isn’t that just grabbing guys that aren’t good enough?

Worried about the whole model in the SEC unless you’re landing 5 stars like this guy on Bama from Nova.
Posted by gohogs141
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 4:06 pm to
Wasn’t Vance Jackson a former 5 star? The guys we get with that pedigree just don’t seem to develop as well as some others do.
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 4:08 pm to
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What about transfers from power 5? Isn’t that just grabbing guys that aren’t good enough?

Worried about the whole model in the SEC unless you’re landing 5 stars like this guy on Bama from Nova.
While you're right about some transfers, others also just don't like the system/coach/school/etc.

That said, I completely agree with you that if he wants to succeed in what the SEC is becoming, he's gonna need to really put the pressure on locking down these amazing in-state classes and building through elite high school recruits. Not every transfer is gonna be Mason Jones.
Posted by STLhog
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 4:10 pm to
Just don’t know where we go from here.

Full strength team and getting absolutely curb stomped 2 games in a row. 3 if you count Mizzou.

Will be interested to hear what he has to say.
Posted by Raz4back
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 4:11 pm to
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What about transfers from power 5? Isn’t that just grabbing guys that aren’t good enough?


Sometimes you can get one because of a coaching change, but for the most part I agree.
Posted by Pygthagorean Theorem
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 4:11 pm to
Yeah, his Nevada way of doing things isn't working in the SEC. Getting leftovers from mid majors isn't working. He needs to be recruiting less guards and go after more true big men. The position-less NBA way of trying to do things isn't going to work in college unless you're getting top talent like UK's, Duke, and such.
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 4:15 pm to
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Just don’t know where we go from here.
We got taller, but we're stick thin literally everywhere. We're still small in that sense. Muss tried to plug the holes but the bottom line is we're still weak inside and don't have the great overall team defense of last year to cover that weakness.

We might sneak into the tourney, but I don't expect much after that this year. I'll be judging Muss hard on how much of this in-state class he can sign. It's absolutely critical if he's going to succeed here to cash in on classes like this. Losing huge bulks of classes like this is part of what got Mike booted.
This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 4:16 pm
Posted by gohogs141
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 6:55 pm to
But you have to show something other than what we’ve seen lately in order to attract those big time recruits. I’m starting to think we’re never going to be even close to what we used to be in basketball. Something just isn’t there anymore. It was easy to blame Mike but maybe it wasn’t just him.
Posted by dchog
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 7:07 pm to
After spending 20 years in the irrelevant wilderness, it is going to take more than a few years to be recognized as a basketball powerhouse.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 9:02 pm to
The majority of the threes taken that past two weeks have been short, while not from NBA range.

Defensively struggling to stay in front of their man, stopping the ball from driving to the rim or closing to contest open shots.

These aren't talent issues, this ain't an inability to grasp complex get plans, it isn't a matter of poor scouting/preparation.

It is one of three things:
A lack of pride/effort.
Tired legs from lack of conditioning or rest/recovery.
An inability to get the players to buy in or inability to motivate the players to give max effort.

They fact the effort hasn't been there from the players falls on Miss, if the ones he is playing don't want to work hard to compete, go to the bench and find the guys who will.

If an 8 man rotation isn't up for the minutes required to play two games a week, either change the practice routine or expand the rotation to reduce minutes.

Back to back 30 point blow outs isn't easily defendable or a sign of a post season team. I guarantee you we would have seen the walk-ons get a chance to earn minutes going forward today under Nolan, he didn't give a frick about the players feelings, play hard and give a 100% or sit and watch a guy on the court who will, it isn't a matter of being scared to make a mistake, Muss hasn't been quick to sub for mistakes.
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 9:07 pm to
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But you have to show something other than what we’ve seen lately in order to attract those big time recruits.
His NBA pedigree and staff will draw visits just on that alone. One of the main things recruits mention when they talk about meeting Muss is how he runs things like the NBA and they like that. The University sells itself once you're on campus, IMO. I think he's got at least a few years of that before the luster wears off if he ends up being unable to get over the hump.

Could be wrong, that's just the feel I get from seeing recruit reactions the past couple seasons.
This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 9:33 pm
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 9:20 pm to
He hasn't signed a single out of state recruit who wasn't found in the transfer portal.
Posted by Hogwarts
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 9:27 pm to
Good point Dale
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 9:34 pm to
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He hasn't signed a single out of state recruit who wasn't found in the transfer portal.
Not exactly shocking given the sample size and his admission to wanting to build through the portal in the first place.

The thing is, even if that's how he wants to play it, that's fine as long as he can lock down the state. The state will produce enough talent on its own to be competitive most years, but he's got to make sure he gets most of the top guys year in and year out. He succeeded last year, if he can follow that up with similar success this year and going forward we'll be extremely solid once the kids who aren't one and done start to fill out the roster.
This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 9:42 pm
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