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re: What did Kirby learn from Saban that Alabama is missing?

Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:03 am to
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:03 am to
Kirby has taken a team without and explosive QB and made them a good football team. They are physical on both sides of the ball, The 1960's QB rollout and keepers are making positive yards and moving the chains.

He has a great punter and FG kicker and playing field position is still if you play solid defense.

Salute to them.
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
14682 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:09 am to
Bell and Branch are pretty explosive at WR
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4830 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:12 am to
We shall see. Honestly, unless we surprise the universe and make a run, I’m probably going to be pulling for Indiana in this thing.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:40 am to
Give credit where it's due for Indiana, they've won every game.

That does include a 5 point win against Iowa and a 3 point win against Penn State. I'll be the first to admit I thought the talent advantage Ohio State has over them would win that game, but Ohio State's offense just really isn't very explosive. In a lot of ways it's similar to ours, with the ability to hit the occasional deep ball. They book ended their season with the two best defenses on their schedule and scored 14 points and 10 points in those two games. It's the down side of playing a chicken shite schedule, you don't really know your own weaknesses so you pay for that when someone can exploit them
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
19347 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:47 am to
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Team have played us two high safety and are sitting on the intermediate routes and just clogging the middle of the field. Grubb hasn't adapted,


This just isn't true.

We have adapted a bit but our QB is stubbornly only doing or throwing what he feels comfortable with doing and throwing.

We have guy open... ALWAYS.

It's just since the second half of the first game against UGA when Kirby realized all he needed to do was clog the middle and play aggressive toward the line of scrimmage? It gave the key to stopping TY SIMPSON, not stopping our offense.

Now if Ty Simpson would throw those deep balls be more accurate on those flats and outs then we would force defenses to have to guess what we will do instead of them comfortably knowing no matter what is called Ty will check to something they are stopping or will throw where they are defending.
Posted by In Hsv
Huntsville
Member since Oct 2011
325 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:59 am to
Keep beating that horse. Like every thread your opinion is well known.
Posted by ETT2001
Member since Dec 2020
1033 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:03 am to
This team has no dog in it compared to those Cochran/Saban teams, there is not Rolondo McLain, Hightower, Ashawn Robinson, or Jonathan Allen. This team is soft and I am afraid the HC is soft as well. Teams reflect their coach.
Posted by ETT2001
Member since Dec 2020
1033 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:08 am to
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Grubb hasn't adapted,


I believe he is part of the problem and needs to be shown the door. I dont think the players like him.

Along with dog in this team there are too many injuries. The injury to Cuevas cannot not be understated enough, huge loss. Go back and look at beginning of 3rd quarter of Mizzou game, TY takes a big shot, was in noticeable pain and has not been the same since. I have a feeling something undisclosed will come out after the season. Prob something that is shot up to numb the pain so he can play but he is not near 100%.
Posted by Marktastic86
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Member since Dec 2020
20828 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:23 am to
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This team has no dog in it compared to those Cochran/Saban teams, there is not Rolondo McLain, Hightower, Ashawn Robinson, or Jonathan Allen. This team is soft and I am afraid the HC is soft as well. Teams reflect their coach.

Anyone who thinks the defense is the issue or soft in any way is either trolling or just not worth listening to.
Posted by ETT2001
Member since Dec 2020
1033 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:01 am to
Ok Not saying the defense is weak overall but saying the team as a whole is soft. Ever heard of an opinion dipshit?
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
19347 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:15 pm to
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Keep beating that horse. Like every thread your opinion is well known.


Well it's the current topic being discussed and it's not only the truth the people like you who don't like reading it can't actually refute it.

If our defense is playing Oklahoma and we know they can't or won't throw deep... how easy does it make it for us to stop their run and stop whatever limited pass concepts they run?

Answer that
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
9935 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 2:37 pm to
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Last year they got pantsed by Milroe, upset by Kiffin and escaped one of the worst teams in the conference with a 1 point win. Not to mention absolutely should have lost to Tech and would have if not for two questionable calls that gave them life in regulation.


They were a freak fumble at the 1 inch line away from an insurmountable deficit against Auburn and a routine missed kick away from losing to UT. Props to them for peaking at right time though.

Everyone kept trying to say injury situation was just as bad as Bama's....that is straight horseshite.
Posted by In Hsv
Huntsville
Member since Oct 2011
325 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 2:44 pm to
It’s not that I disagree, but damn try a different verse.
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
932 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 4:52 pm to
YStar, I do not disagree with what you have posted. When Ty throws a long ball with lair under it the ball has asignificant slice (left to right). He also does not often let the WR to run under it. When he put some air under it in the middle or down the left sideline, The WR has a shot to make a play on it. When he goes to the right with loft, it tend to drift out of bounds.

He does not have a huge arm for deep balls. It looks to me like he is afraid of under throws that can be picked.

My guess would be hot back shoulder intermediate throw would be his best weapon until the sfaties strat to cheat wide and open the middle back up. 2nd best multiple versions of the screen pass to let 5 & 17replace the running game.

One additional thought, 7 was a HS QB I think. I know 5 was as well. Either of them in a widcat could create short to intermediate QB run / play action passing oportunities. 12 & 3 (bak) would be good options as well. Would it work? Hell if I know but you have to trysomething other than what everyone know knows how to stop.

This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 4:59 pm
Posted by LaneB
Member since Oct 2021
631 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 4:55 pm to
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YStar, I do not disagree with what you have posted. When Ty throws a long ball with lair under it the ball has asignificant slice (left to right). He also does not often let the WR to run under it. When he put some air under it in the middle or down the left sideline, The WR has a shot to make a play on it. When he goes to the right with loft, it tend to drift out of bounds.

He does not have a huge arm for deep balls. It looks to me like he is afraid of under throws that can be picked.


looked back at the Okl game .. he was not that inaccurate at all

last couple games he has been awful
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
12628 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 5:25 pm to
#15 has already determined to which receiver he will throw once he breaks huddle. If the guy is open, then fine otherwise it could be big trouble.

This has been the case for weeks not one. This can't be fixed.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
19347 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 5:28 pm to
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It’s not that I disagree, but damn try a different verse.


I apologize really but this stuff is eating me up.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
19347 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 5:32 pm to
I agree with everything you have said and love the idea of multiple play oit of wildcat using #5.

I do also believe #5 is very much injured. While he ran that TD pass he hasn't looked explosive in some time. If you remember Ty hit him when he ran that inside cut (everyone else cleared out) and he let the safety come down and tackle him. If he was healthy that would have been a big gain.

Same I believe with #4 who did also drop one but seemed to get tackled by the first guy.


Anyways, as you said once they start creeping those safeties and attempt to overload blitz we should automatically be thinking of back-shoulder outside or lofted deep ball to inside WR.

Even if they don't connect the threat alone will back those guys up a little to give us more space to work
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
12628 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 5:40 pm to
No doubt #5 is nowhere near his normal self. Slower and the effort isn't there either which means he is injured.
Posted by deltadummy
Member since Mar 2025
1513 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 5:49 pm to
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Kirby has taken a team without and explosive QB and made them a good football team. They are physical on both sides of the ball, The 1960's QB rollout and keepers are making positive yards and moving the chains.

He has a great punter and FG kicker and playing field position is still if you play solid defense.

Salute to them.


Absolutely played the field position game Saturday. Get a first down maybe, punt. Three and out. Get a first down a punt. Three and out. Then you're at the 40 or maybe even the 50. And he only had to do that twice, really. That wasn't some annhilation everybody thinks they saw. That was just grinding it out over a 60 minute game. Which ends up being the same thing, though.
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