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Posted on 9/23/24 at 6:27 pm to RiverCityTider
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:14 pm to Sandkhan
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Or you could not like that he’s a Putin puppet. You could be very concerned that he tried to overthrow the government. You could be off put by him being a convicted felon with a close relationship to Epstein.
Is this some new material? You used to be a comedian right? Hell, I’d buy tickets for this melt
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:35 pm to Robot Santa
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quote:One guy, and I’ll tell my grandkids this story, thought Congress, the House, and Senate were all separate bodies. While trying to tell me about policy and government works. I just smiled. That man went on to coach Auburn football and become a Senator.
Haha that made me lol.
Here’s what we have learned. Anyone can become a Governor, Senator, or member of the House.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:34 pm to bamaguy17
That would be a hell of a bit for me 
But I mean…these things are all very google-able. You just have to be willing to look at it objectively
-He has stated he would pardon the insurrections and pretty clearly was egging the behavior on. Calling the election results fraudulent, demanding his VP disregard the election process.
-He is a convicted felon
-He did have a sketchy relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and some extremely worrisome court cases
- For ties between Putin and Trump there are any number of articles that spell out those ties. Here’s one:
LINK
And Trump threatening to pull out of NATO and essentially allow Russia to take Ukraine(and likely more). He refuses to call Putin a mass murdering despot. I believe if elected he would immediately re-open trade with Russia.
But none of that will matter because, again…those of you who like him think he can do no wrong. It’s all fake news, conspiracy, democrats, what about the Clintons, heresay, stolen election, on and on. I can’t say I really understand it. Ive always thought he was a bullshite artist with a loud mouth and a silver spoon and that was before he was a politician. I never thought I’d see so many southerners get behind a constantly conniving New Yorker.
I long for the day of John McCains of the world who were respectable and honorable conservative politicians who had the best interest of the country at heart. My biggest hope for the GOP is that 2024 ends MAGA/Tea Party nonsense and they realize that fascism alienates a lot of rational fiscal conservatives and independent voters who would trend Republican if not for all the crazy shite that goes along with Trumpism.
I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind and I couldn’t if I tried. He can do no wrong in many eyes. I don’t understand it but I accept that it’s true. In a few weeks you all will be very happy or very angry. I can appreciate if people can’t get behind the economic policies of democrats. But I don’t personally think the social and foreign policy ramifications are worth 4 years of lower CORPORATE taxes.
And that’s it all spelled out and there’s not really a reason to belabor it. It’s just something a lot of you disagree with me on.
Roll Tide anyway.
But I mean…these things are all very google-able. You just have to be willing to look at it objectively
-He has stated he would pardon the insurrections and pretty clearly was egging the behavior on. Calling the election results fraudulent, demanding his VP disregard the election process.
-He is a convicted felon
-He did have a sketchy relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and some extremely worrisome court cases
- For ties between Putin and Trump there are any number of articles that spell out those ties. Here’s one:
LINK
And Trump threatening to pull out of NATO and essentially allow Russia to take Ukraine(and likely more). He refuses to call Putin a mass murdering despot. I believe if elected he would immediately re-open trade with Russia.
But none of that will matter because, again…those of you who like him think he can do no wrong. It’s all fake news, conspiracy, democrats, what about the Clintons, heresay, stolen election, on and on. I can’t say I really understand it. Ive always thought he was a bullshite artist with a loud mouth and a silver spoon and that was before he was a politician. I never thought I’d see so many southerners get behind a constantly conniving New Yorker.
I long for the day of John McCains of the world who were respectable and honorable conservative politicians who had the best interest of the country at heart. My biggest hope for the GOP is that 2024 ends MAGA/Tea Party nonsense and they realize that fascism alienates a lot of rational fiscal conservatives and independent voters who would trend Republican if not for all the crazy shite that goes along with Trumpism.
I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind and I couldn’t if I tried. He can do no wrong in many eyes. I don’t understand it but I accept that it’s true. In a few weeks you all will be very happy or very angry. I can appreciate if people can’t get behind the economic policies of democrats. But I don’t personally think the social and foreign policy ramifications are worth 4 years of lower CORPORATE taxes.
And that’s it all spelled out and there’s not really a reason to belabor it. It’s just something a lot of you disagree with me on.
Roll Tide anyway.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:09 am to Allthatfades
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Trump to attend to UGA/Bama
AWESOME!!
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:29 am to Sandkhan
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Trump threatening to pull out of NATO and essentially allow Russia to take Ukraine(and likely more).
Remember that time back when Trump essentially allowed Russia to invade and annex Crimea and did nothing to stop it? And remember that other time when Trump essentially allowed Russia to invade Ukraine and did nothing to stop it?
It’s amazing how easily people are manipulated by reading a couple articles online these days; ignoring facts and latching on to a narrative that fits their preconceived notions.
But I mean, these FACTS are all very easy to find, you just have to be willing to look at them objectively.
It’s easy to throw conjecture around about what Trump might or might not do about an invasion of Ukraine but by looking at the dates below it’s quite easy to see Putin feels significantly more comfortable with an invasion when a democrat is in office.
Obama Administration: Jan 2009-Jan 2017
Annexation of Crimea by Russia:Feb 2014
Biden Administration: Jan 2021-Jan 2025
Russian invasion of Ukraine: Feb 2022
This post was edited on 9/24/24 at 12:34 am
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:35 am to Sandkhan
Everything you posted that was above the line quoted below is just complete nonsense, so I won't waste time on it.
Good policy. Even the countries he threatened agreed he was correct. NATO countries need to hold up their end of the deal and stop expecting us to subsidize them.
Interesting. How much Ukrainian territory did Russia take while Trump was president? What about while Obama was president? What about while Biden has been president and Kamala has been vice president?
ETA: The poster above answered this one, so just read his post for the answer.
Why do you believe this would be a good policy? Are you wanting to invite a third world war?
Maybe, but he has a history of issuing targeted sanctions against Russian government officials. Regardless, how has stopping trade with Russia either helped the USA or harmed Russia? What is it that Russia is currently missing out on? From my perspective, all we've done is strengthened the BRICS alliance and weakened the petrodollar. I'm amazed anyone who claims to have a finance background could possibly see this as "good" for the USA.
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Trump threatening to pull out of NATO
Good policy. Even the countries he threatened agreed he was correct. NATO countries need to hold up their end of the deal and stop expecting us to subsidize them.
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essentially allow Russia to take Ukraine
Interesting. How much Ukrainian territory did Russia take while Trump was president? What about while Obama was president? What about while Biden has been president and Kamala has been vice president?
ETA: The poster above answered this one, so just read his post for the answer.
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He refuses to call Putin a mass murdering despot.
Why do you believe this would be a good policy? Are you wanting to invite a third world war?
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I believe if elected he would immediately re-open trade with Russia.
Maybe, but he has a history of issuing targeted sanctions against Russian government officials. Regardless, how has stopping trade with Russia either helped the USA or harmed Russia? What is it that Russia is currently missing out on? From my perspective, all we've done is strengthened the BRICS alliance and weakened the petrodollar. I'm amazed anyone who claims to have a finance background could possibly see this as "good" for the USA.
This post was edited on 9/24/24 at 12:39 am
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:41 am to Alfie Solomons
We’re supporting a sovereign nation defend themselves. I think that makes more sense currently than a direct conflict with Russia. We and NATO are supporting their ability to defend themselves without losing American lives. They have been sanctioned. I’m not sure what else you want under the current circumstances.
I can only speculate what Trump would do based on what he has said…which very much seems like he doesn’t have an appetite for a continued NATO alliance or helping Ukraine defend their sovereignty.
I can only speculate what Trump would do based on what he has said…which very much seems like he doesn’t have an appetite for a continued NATO alliance or helping Ukraine defend their sovereignty.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 6:01 am to Sandkhan
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We’re supporting a sovereign nation defend themselves. I think that makes more sense currently than a direct conflict with Russia. We and NATO are supporting their ability to defend themselves without losing American lives. They have been sanctioned. I’m not sure what else you want under the current circumstances.
I can only speculate what Trump would do based on what he has said…which very much seems like he doesn’t have an appetite for a continued NATO alliance or helping Ukraine defend their sovereignty.
Ukraine is currently too corrupt to join NATO, the US has warned
Posted on 9/24/24 at 6:29 am to Sandkhan
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Sandkhan
You have a much more civil view of these people than I do, I'll give you that.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 6:49 am to Sandkhan
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I never thought I’d see so many southerners get behind a constantly conniving New Yorker.
Well the alternative, putting it mildly , is not very good . What is sad , is that in a country of 330million people, we have these two choices
Posted on 9/24/24 at 6:59 am to Bear88
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Well the alternative, putting it mildly , is not very good . What is sad , is that in a country of 330million people, we have these two choices
Well said. This is the real problem. But we created it. I still cannot believe Republicans made Trump the nominee, and I can’t believe Democrats went along with just allowing delegates to decide Harris would be their nominee, without and democratic process taking place. They seem to rail about that process being threatened daily, but subvert it when it serves them.
Imagine if Haley was an option.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 7:34 am to Sandkhan
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I can only speculate what Trump would do based on what he has said…which very much seems like he doesn’t have an appetite for a continued NATO alliance or helping Ukraine defend their sovereignty
They tried to impeach Trump for supplying Ukraine with Javelin anti tank missiles and being tough on Russia.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/trump-admin-approves-sale-anti-tank-weapons-ukraine/story%3fid=65989898
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The sale of Javelins is not part of the nearly $400 million of military assistance that the White House had ordered the State Department and Pentagon to withhold a week before Trump's call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy. That aid, which has since been released, included assistance for maritime security, special operations units, secure communications and light weapons like sniper rifles and rocket-propelled grenade launchers.
But Javelins were discussed on Trump and Zelenskiy's call on July 25, which has prompted an impeachment inquiry.
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The Trump administration first approved the sale of Javelins to Ukraine in December 2017 -- a step that former President Barack Obama never took and that Trump allies have pointed to as a sign of Trump's toughness on Russia. Ukraine has been fighting Russian-armed and led separatists in its eastern provinces since 2014, shortly after Russia illegally occupied and annexed Crimea, in a war that has claimed approximately 13,000 lives and displaced 1.5 million people, according to the Ukrainian government.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 7:44 am to TideSaint
Two things. I don't think this article disproves SK's quote unless he was making the argument there is no corruption in Ukraine. The article doesn't state the US and NATO are no longer supporting their ability to be a sovereign nation but that they can't join NATO until certain criteria are meet regarding corruption.
I do think that is different than Trump presumably wanting to pull out of NATO and not support Ukraine in defense of itself based on SKs argument.
It is the difference between we can continue to date but if you want to get married get your shite together vs I never want to see you again and hope your next boyfriend kills you.
The second thing is reliable sourcing. The Daily Mail is a UK tabloid. And not to say they can't be reliable in some subjects (this could be one of those subjects), in some cases doing award winning journalism, but they are also known for sensationlism, plagiarism and falsfying stories. Such is the life of us who have research sources lol.
I do think that is different than Trump presumably wanting to pull out of NATO and not support Ukraine in defense of itself based on SKs argument.
It is the difference between we can continue to date but if you want to get married get your shite together vs I never want to see you again and hope your next boyfriend kills you
. The second thing is reliable sourcing. The Daily Mail is a UK tabloid. And not to say they can't be reliable in some subjects (this could be one of those subjects), in some cases doing award winning journalism, but they are also known for sensationlism, plagiarism and falsfying stories. Such is the life of us who have research sources lol.
This post was edited on 9/24/24 at 7:51 am
Posted on 9/24/24 at 7:49 am to FreedomBarefoot
I believe that the issue regarding the impeachment inquiry was not that Trump was willing to offer aid to Ukraine, but that he was holding up aid to Ukraine unless they investigated his political rivals, but I could be wrong on that.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 7:50 am to Carlton
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The second thing is reliable sourcing. The Daily Mail is a UK tabloid. And not to say they can't be reliable in some subjects, in some cases doing award winning journalism, but they are also known for sensationlism, plagiarism and falsfying stories. Such is the life of us who have research sources lol.
It's sad when American news agencies won't report on things that place this administration and their policies in a negative light.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 7:54 am to TideSaint
Yep
Posted on 9/24/24 at 7:58 am to TideSaint
Research wise you hope they report the facts, which most US (lets face it, all) media regularly includes opinion cause that is where the money is. If we didn't buy it they wouldn't publish it. I don't think desire should be to seek out negativity, let your personal assessments fall where they may. I think the coverage of the economy has been fairly straight forward in most corners.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 8:12 am to Carlton
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I believe that the issue regarding the impeachment inquiry was not that Trump was willing to offer aid to Ukraine, but that he was holding up aid to Ukraine unless they investigated his political rivals, but I could be wrong on that.
That is correct. In that moment he’d have played both sides and supplied Ukraine if they gave him dirt on the Biden’s. Very Watergate-esque but worse using military equipment as a bribe.
I thought that was wild at the time and he’s done like 5 things worse since
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