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re: Tide Hoops | Please Anchor

Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:06 pm to
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:06 pm to
Friday gun be like























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Posted by TheNameIsDalton
Huntsville
Member since Mar 2021
1540 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:11 pm to
Currently trying to knock out as much work as possible and early tomorrow morning (will load up on coffee) so I can watch basketball uninterrupted. Really want to do a half-day on Friday but not sure that's going to fly.
Posted by McGregor
Member since Feb 2011
7031 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:12 pm to
I'm working until noon tomorrow and then full on hoops.

I'd just be watching at work anyway.

That elephant gif is amazing.
Posted by DLev45
Member since Aug 2018
732 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:20 pm to
Here is one that will REALLY fire the board up...

We have played 16 games since Rojas returned from injury.

In the 8 games Rojas has played 15+ minutes, our record is 1-7.

Wins:
1. 74-72 @ Vandy

Losses:
1. 78-76 @ MSU
2. 82-76 @ UGA
3. 100-81 @ AU
4. 66-55 v. UK
5. 87-71 v. A&M
6. 80-77 @ LSU (OT)
7. 82-76 v. Vandy (SECT)

In the 8 games Rojas has played less than 15 minutes, our record is 7-1.

Wins:
1. 70-67 v. LSU
2. 86-76 v. Mizzou
3. 87-78 v. Baylor
4. 97-83 @ Ole Miss
5. 68-67 v. Arkansas
6. 80-75 v. MSU
7. 90-71 v. SCar

Losses:
1. 90-81 @ UK
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 1:23 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:22 pm to
quote:

We have played 16 games since Rojas returned from injury.

In the 8 games Rojas has played 15+ minutes, our record is 1-7.

In the 8 games Rojas has played less than 15 minutes, our record is 7-1.



That's actually pretty interesting. I have nothing to back this up, but I'm guessing most of those games Rojas played > 15 minutes were games in which Oats felt like we needed his toughness and intensity on the floor, meaning those were games where we did not bring that as a team.

So, partially due to Rojas being a flawed player, but more that Rojas playing more minutes is a barometer of how locked in we are as a team. Also, foul issues, which is another problem we have sometimes that sinks us, and would force him into the lineup more.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 1:24 pm
Posted by McGregor
Member since Feb 2011
7031 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:28 pm to
yea Rojas doesn't seem like the issue to me. Guy gives great effort and seems to have maybe the best attitude on the team. But interesting nonetheless.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

yea Rojas doesn't seem like the issue to me. Guy gives great effort and seems to have maybe the best attitude on the team. But interesting nonetheless.


It definitely is a pretty big sample, though, so it probably tells something (I agree that it isn't "Rojas is terrible he shouldn't play any"). I bet if you looked deeper you'd see that we either had foul trouble in those games or we gave up 50%+ 2PT shooting % (indicating we were playing soft as shite), and Rojas was plugged more to try and stop the bleeding.
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Posted by TheNameIsDalton
Huntsville
Member since Mar 2021
1540 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:33 pm to
Alabama record in games Alex Tchikou has played and has a shot attempt: 2-0 (Oakland, Miami)

In games Alex Tchikou has played and doesn't have a shot attempt: 0-1 (Iona)

Really makes you think...
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:33 pm to
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
22277 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

gave up 50%+ 2PT shooting % (indicating we were playing soft as shite), and Rojas was plugged more to try and stop the bleeding.


Well, I submit to you sir, that if that was the strategy, it clearly hasn't worked.

I think Holt and Gary are both better in that role.

I'll give Rojas credit though, he's cut way down on the bulldozing straight ahead into the traffic and dribbling it off his foot turnovers this year.
Posted by DLev45
Member since Aug 2018
732 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:35 pm to
Another WILD stat - JD Davison turnovers.

Bad JD is turning it over, and good JD is taking care of it, right?

Our records:
JD with 5+ turnovers: 4-0
JD with 4+ turnovers: 5-1
JD with 3+ turnovers: 12-5
JD with 0-2 turnovers: 7-8
JD with 0-1 turnover: 1-5

Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

Bad JD is turning it over, and good JD is taking care of it, right?

Our records:
JD with 5+ turnovers: 4-0
JD with 4+ turnovers: 5-1
JD with 3+ turnovers: 12-5
JD with 0-2 turnovers: 7-8
JD with 0-1 turnover: 1-5




Posted by Goombaw
Kentucky
Member since Jan 2013
6315 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:40 pm to
I don't know what to do with this information.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

Well, I submit to you sir, that if that was the strategy, it clearly hasn't worked.

I think Holt and Gary are both better in that role.

I'll give Rojas credit though, he's cut way down on the bulldozing straight ahead into the traffic and dribbling it off his foot turnovers this year.



Yea I don't know for sure, but seems that's probably the case.

We better see a hell of a lot of Holt this tournament. He was fantastic against Vanderbilt and down the stretch in general (other than the whole suspended and on TicToc thing).
Posted by DLev45
Member since Aug 2018
732 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

I don't know what to do with this information.


At least my takeaway from it is that we are better with aggressive JD that makes some mistakes than passive JD that doesn't. That's what I see from these two posts of mine combined:

quote:

Another interesting trend I noticed the other day... I would have told you that we go as Quinerly goes. Good JQ shows up, we can beat anyone. Bad JQ shows up, and we could lose to anyone.

But the biggest correlation I have seen is actually J.D. Davison.

In games where Davison scores in double digits, we are 11-2.

This includes the major wins over Gonzaga, Houston, Baylor, Arkansas, and Miami. The 2 losses were @ Missouri and @ LSU in OT in the regular season finale.

In games where Davison scores single digits, we are 8-11.


quote:

Another WILD stat - JD Davison turnovers.

Bad JD is turning it over, and good JD is taking care of it, right?

Our records:
JD with 5+ turnovers: 4-0
JD with 4+ turnovers: 5-1
JD with 3+ turnovers: 12-5
JD with 0-2 turnovers: 7-8
JD with 0-1 turnover: 1-5
Posted by roadkill
East Coast, FL
Member since Oct 2008
2109 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 2:13 pm to
quote:

Bad JD is turning it over, and good JD is taking care of it, right?

Our records:
JD with 5+ turnovers: 4-0
JD with 4+ turnovers: 5-1
JD with 3+ turnovers: 12-5
JD with 0-2 turnovers: 7-8
JD with 0-1 turnover: 1-5


With zero analysis to substantiate my theory, I offer this explanation: We win when JD has 3-4-5 TOs because Bama plays best when the offense is "(barely) controlled chaos" - running the court and passing quickly and often - a hectic pace equates to more risks and more TOs - the losses and lower number of TOs - 0-1-2 - occur when the offense is more of a stagnant, half-court game - not aligned w/Bama's style.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 2:24 pm to
Rojas isn’t a 15+ minutes guy. He’s a role filler when other guys need a breather or are in foul trouble. His increased minutes those games point to other guys not playing well. He should be getting 10-15 minutes a game.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 2:46 pm to
quote:

With zero analysis to substantiate my theory, I offer this explanation: We win when JD has 3-4-5 TOs because Bama plays best when the offense is "(barely) controlled chaos" - running the court and passing quickly and often - a hectic pace equates to more risks and more TOs - the losses and lower number of TOs - 0-1-2 - occur when the offense is more of a stagnant, half-court game - not aligned w/Bama's style.



Agree - I bet his assists are much higher in most of those games too.
Posted by TiderNAL
Member since Nov 2010
8048 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 3:17 pm to
quote:

In the 8 games Rojas has played less than 15 minutes, our record is 7-1.



If that trend holds true, hopefully we can say this about Coach Nate Oats in March Madness...

Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 4:44 pm to
The Athletic statistical modeling guys basically take what we've been talking about with Rutgers/Notre Dame and quantify it in what that means for their chances against us. Long story short, they agree that neither is built to exploit our issues.

They have Vermont > Arkansas as more likely than Rutgers/ND > Alabama.


quote:

No. 6 Alabama Crimson Tide vs. No. 11 Rutgers Scarlet Knights or Notre Dame Fighting Irish

Upset Chance: 26.1% vs. Rutgers; 22.1% vs. Notre Dame


You know Alabama’s story by now. Wins against Gonzaga, Baylor, Tennessee, Arkansas and Houston. Losses to Iona, Missouri, Georgia and Davidson. That inconsistency alone should set off upset alarm bells. But the Crimson Tide also display some troubling statistical traits: They turn the ball over on 19.8 percent of possessions and allow a 30.7% offensive rebound rate to opponents (280th in the nation).

But do either Rutgers or Notre Dame have the chops to take advantage of those openings? Not really. The Scarlet Knights are a lesser, Big Ten version of Alabama: They beat Purdue, Iowa, Wisconsin and Illinois, but lost to DePaul, Lafayette and UMass. They play slow (good for a potential giant-killer), but don’t add much variance in their style: They take only 31.4% of their shots from three-point range, sport a below-average turnover rate on defense, and offensive rebound only slightly better than the national average.

Notre Dame, by contrast, doesn’t think twice about letting it fly from deep (43.1% of shots). But the Irish play a conservative defensive style, forcing turnovers on only 15% of possessions. And they eschew offensive rebounds (22.1%) to get back in transition. So unless they are absolutely locked on from the perimeter, they have no other tools to help build an upset.

A one-in-four chance isn’t awful for Notre Dame or Rutgers. And our new similarity scores give them some hope as well. Three of the 10 games most similar to Alabama/Rutgers ended in an upset, and all took place last year: West Virginia vs. Syracuse; Iowa vs. Oregon; and Texas vs. Abilene Christian. Notre Dame vs. Alabama actually shows four of the 10 most similar games resulting in upsets: Mississippi State vs. Liberty (2019); Vanderbilt vs. Richmond (2011); Iowa vs. Oregon (2021) and Duke vs. Lehigh (2012). Still, our model leans in favor of the Tide, perhaps because it feels a level of kinship with Nate Oats’ analytics-driven approach.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 4:48 pm
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