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Posted on 3/15/22 at 11:46 am to Robot Santa
Posted on 3/15/22 at 11:46 am to Robot Santa
I dont think hes saying BM is KD, just their game is similar. Probably the best comparison for miller is paul George... Because miller scores and defends like PG. Thats what i like about our recruiting class as well, they all are willing and able defenders. Im interested to see what shack decides, along with JD once the season ends.
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Posted on 3/15/22 at 11:48 am to YellaDog
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I mean is 300+ in 3pt percentage a good shot?
Compared to midrange jumpers? Yes, without a doubt.
TyTy Washington is probably the one player in the league that shoots a very good % from mid-range but does not from 3PT, and even his point per shot from 3PT is > 2PT Mid-Range (though it's close enough that it's probably a good shot for him).
This post was edited on 3/15/22 at 11:51 am
Posted on 3/15/22 at 11:50 am to SummerOfGeorge
I agree on this team, but a guy that is capable of hitting that mid range can be a totally different weapon. That’s how UCLA killed us.
Also drawing a ton of fouls usually happens when you have that mid range. I’m not saying the whole team needs to do it, but having a guy like Miller who can will open it up.
Our offense isn’t really the problem though, as you have proven. We just have to hit the shots.
It just seems we are too predictable at times. When it’s crunch time and you have a 6’8-6’9 guard who can stroke it midrange the defense doesn’t know what’s coming.
Also drawing a ton of fouls usually happens when you have that mid range. I’m not saying the whole team needs to do it, but having a guy like Miller who can will open it up.
Our offense isn’t really the problem though, as you have proven. We just have to hit the shots.
It just seems we are too predictable at times. When it’s crunch time and you have a 6’8-6’9 guard who can stroke it midrange the defense doesn’t know what’s coming.
This post was edited on 3/15/22 at 11:54 am
Posted on 3/15/22 at 11:52 am to YellaDog
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I agree on this team, but a guy that is capable of hitting that mid range can be a totally different weapon. That’s how UCLA killed us.
I think that shots where you drive the lane and shoot from inside 10-12 feet are good shots (not just at the rim). It's also one of the reasons Oats harps on paint touches, because at the very least it gets the defense moving and adjusting and helping and opens things up. That's where the definition of "mid-range" comes into play. Is a shot from 8 feet a mid-range shot? I don't think of it that way, but others do.
I don't think that a 18-20 foot pull up jump shop is ever a good shot. It just isn't. Ever.
This post was edited on 3/15/22 at 11:54 am
Posted on 3/15/22 at 11:54 am to SummerOfGeorge
I actually agree with most of what you're saying, but it doesn't make that excerpt look any less lazy.
I know we've been really bad on the road defensively, but we will be playing on a neutral court so I don't think we should only be looking at our ability to defend on the road (yes, I know that includes one neutral court game, but we were both incredible and horrible throughout that game defensively). I believe the balance lands somewhere in between our ability to play on the road versus at home. Maybe that's optimistic thinking on my part
I know we've been really bad on the road defensively, but we will be playing on a neutral court so I don't think we should only be looking at our ability to defend on the road (yes, I know that includes one neutral court game, but we were both incredible and horrible throughout that game defensively). I believe the balance lands somewhere in between our ability to play on the road versus at home. Maybe that's optimistic thinking on my part
Posted on 3/15/22 at 11:54 am to SummerOfGeorge
Just say bama live practice on Twitter and man, we gonna have major issues.
Posted on 3/15/22 at 11:56 am to SummerOfGeorge
That’s true, I think when I say midrange I’m thinking more close to the paint than the 3 pt line anyways, but I just hate seeing a layup or 3 every single possession.
When the 3s aren’t falling (most of the time) we then start turning it over because we are trying to force it into the paint or we just jack up more 3s
When the 3s aren’t falling (most of the time) we then start turning it over because we are trying to force it into the paint or we just jack up more 3s
Posted on 3/15/22 at 11:57 am to BigBird09
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I actually agree with most of what you're saying, but it doesn't make that excerpt look any less lazy.
I know we've been really bad on the road defensively, but we will be playing on a neutral court so I don't think we should only be looking at our ability to defend on the road (yes, I know that includes one neutral court game, but we were both incredible and horrible throughout that game defensively). I believe the balance lands somewhere in between our ability to play on the road versus at home. Maybe that's optimistic thinking on my part
I just really think that our defensive abilities/weaknesses come down to 2 things that are totally out of our control
(1) referee whistle
(2) opposing teams guards
If the referee's swallow their whistles then we have a huge advantage. And if the opposing team's guards aren't quick or driving the paint isn't a part of their offense, we have a huge advantage. We move side to side and in and out decently well. However, once we get beat by a guard and have to help and then help again and scramble........we almost always foul or give up an easy shot. And then that compounds because we don't box out well while scrambling, so even if we don't foul or give up an easy shot that goes in..........they get offensive rebounds. It's just a cycle of death, but it is one that almost always starts by a guard getting beat off the dribble.
I think there were a lot of teams in our league built on offense in a way that wasn't good for us, and the whistles in the SEC were incredibly high this year. It was a really bad combo for us. My hope is that the NCAAT will show that maybe when referees swallow their whistle more (which tends to happen in the tournament) and teams are a little less athletic/physical at guard that we will reap the benefits.
But like you, that may be optimistic thinking on my part
This post was edited on 3/15/22 at 11:59 am
Posted on 3/15/22 at 11:57 am to Panthers4life
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Just say bama live practice on Twitter and man, we gonna have major issues.
Wait what?
Posted on 3/15/22 at 11:58 am to Panthers4life
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Just say bama live practice on Twitter and man, we gonna have major issues.
Care to elaborate?
Posted on 3/15/22 at 11:59 am to SummerOfGeorge
I swear the whistles really rattle this team. They don’t take fouls well mentally.
Posted on 3/15/22 at 12:00 pm to YellaDog
^^^ true but nobody ever thinks they've fouled someone
Posted on 3/15/22 at 12:02 pm to McGregor
Yep, they have really taken on Oats personality with that.
Posted on 3/15/22 at 12:03 pm to McGregor
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^^^ true but nobody ever thinks they've fouled someone
In addition to the fact that you are just going to foul more when you get beat easily and are helping/chasing, this team also gets beat so much off the dribble and is franticly helping that even when they DON'T actually foul it LOOKS like they are fouling because it's so chaotic.
It's one of the reasons that I didn't quite understand why we never seemed to play off the ball more, mix in some zone, something different. Our defense isn't going to be great due to personnel, but it breaks down at one specific point, and there are ways to try and negate that. They come with other risks, but at some point when you have a fatal flaw you have to accept other risks. Other teams getting some better looks from 3PT feels like a risk worth taking in certain games if we just keep getting beat to the rim and fouling/giving up easy layups every possession.
This post was edited on 3/15/22 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 3/15/22 at 12:05 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Yep, and I think Oats tries that sometimes, but teams get hot on us like that dude from Vandy hitting 6 threes on us.
Posted on 3/15/22 at 12:10 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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(1) referee whistle
(2) opposing teams guards
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It's one of the reasons that I didn't quite understand why we never seemed to play off the ball more, mix in some zone
Posted on 3/15/22 at 12:12 pm to YellaDog
this is a tough one. Which would you rather see happen Friday?
a) Auburn loses to Jax St
b) Texas Tech loses to Montana St
a) Auburn loses to Jax St
b) Texas Tech loses to Montana St
Posted on 3/15/22 at 12:16 pm to SummerOfGeorge
All of that analytics stuff fails to take into consideration important variables. Of course a layup is a higher % shot compared to a mid-range jumper, but it isn't if Kessler is standing in the center of the lane. Of course a three is a better shot % wise than a two with your back heel on the line unless you are under duress on the three or your name is Rojas, Holt, or Gary. Also, we sometimes don't take decent twos in hopes for a shot more analytically profitable only to have to shoot a shot under duress late in the clock. I don't have a problem with the initial goal of the offense being to shoot AN OPEN lay-up or three, but some common sense should be applied. Up to this late hour in the season, we have shown very little ability to apply common sense to much of anything we have done this season on a macro level. On a micro level, we have had good showings in a handful of spots.
This post was edited on 3/15/22 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 3/15/22 at 12:18 pm to McGregor
I'd rather see the barn lose.
Posted on 3/15/22 at 12:18 pm to GeneralWoundwort
(a) Welcome to the board
(b) Totally agree with you
(b) Totally agree with you
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