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Posted on 2/8/22 at 2:54 pm to DT55Forever1
Posted on 2/8/22 at 2:54 pm to DT55Forever1
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I'd be curious to know what % UK, Auburn and some of the other top teams are shooting on mid range shots to see how accurate this is.
Appears Nate is maybe being hyperbolic with the 99% figure, but then he’s the stats nerd so who knows. It wouldn’t surprise me to see it around 80-90%, but 99% seems exaggerated.
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Posted on 2/8/22 at 3:03 pm to mistaken4193
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Do y’all think Nate needs to add a shooting coach to the staff this offseason.
Pelicans have one and Herb is like 40% from 3 this year. And shooting like 85% from the FT line
I don't think someone that specialized is viable as an assistant on a college staff. The value someone like that brings to a program is really curtailed by the practice time restrictions placed on NCAA coaching staffs. If we're talking about an otherwise well rounded assistant who is also an expert in shooting mechanics that's a different story though.
This post was edited on 2/8/22 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 2/8/22 at 3:12 pm to The Spleen
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Appears Nate is maybe being hyperbolic with the 99% figure, but then he’s the stats nerd so who knows. It wouldn’t surprise me to see it around 80-90%, but 99% seems exaggerated
Yea. You have to be careful with the stats. You can often make them say what you want to convey. So many variables go into the success numbers. You have to factor in volume of shots taken in each category as well as your offensive rebounding effectiveness. If you're shooting a lower percentage from mid range but killing it on the offensive boards like a UK or Houston, you can still have success.
I just know there are several teams that utilize the mid range quite frequently and do quite well. I doubt they all shoot a high percentage in that range but I may be completely off.
I've seen players that can kill it shooting an 8-15 jumper but struggle around the rim due to contact. It's more important to find what each player does well and emphasize that.
This post was edited on 2/8/22 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 2/8/22 at 3:46 pm to Chadaristic
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Alabama is a 6-seed
Posted on 2/8/22 at 3:47 pm to DT55Forever1
Per Torvik, for us this season
Dunks - 69/77 (89.6%)
Close 2s - 359/560 (64.1%)
Far 2s - 75/210 (35.7%)
FTs - 349/487 (71.7%)
3PT - 207/681 (30.4%)
So, Point Per Shot Attempt for us this season
- Free Throw (2) - 1.434
- Close 2 - 1.28
- 3PT - 0.91
- Far 2 - 0.71
Dunks - 69/77 (89.6%)
Close 2s - 359/560 (64.1%)
Far 2s - 75/210 (35.7%)
FTs - 349/487 (71.7%)
3PT - 207/681 (30.4%)
So, Point Per Shot Attempt for us this season
- Free Throw (2) - 1.434
- Close 2 - 1.28
- 3PT - 0.91
- Far 2 - 0.71
This post was edited on 2/8/22 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 2/8/22 at 3:48 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Kentucky (per Torvik)
- Far 2 - 217/545 (39.8%)
- 3PT - 148/419 (35.3%)
- 3PT - 1.06
- Far 2 - 0.80
- Far 2 - 217/545 (39.8%)
- 3PT - 148/419 (35.3%)
- 3PT - 1.06
- Far 2 - 0.80
Posted on 2/8/22 at 3:49 pm to McGregor
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how do they measure efficient offense?
Points Per Possession adjusted for quality of opponent's defense. We're 3rd in the SEC in PPP offense (not adjusted for opponent) since January 1st - only behind Kentucky and Auburn. We score points, even when not making 3s (outside of the Kentucky disaster).
While missing so many 3s is not good, one thing that isn't discussed a ton is that (a) we are really good 2-pt shooting team from close and (b) we are a really good offensive rebounding team.
We went 3-30 from 3 PT against Kentucky and still scored 55 pts because we also had 16 offensive rebounds and made 13 shots at the rim (along with 16 free throws).
This post was edited on 2/8/22 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 2/8/22 at 3:52 pm to SummerOfGeorge
What’s crazy is that we are still projected 99.9% chance to make the tournament even with only 15 wins.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 3:53 pm to Warmth in Winter
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What’s crazy is that we are still projected 99.9% chance to make the tournament even with only 15 wins.
That would make us 15-16. We would not make the tournament with a sub-.500 record.
This post was edited on 2/8/22 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:02 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Guys on our team who have higher Pt Per Shot numbers, currently, on Far 2s/mid range than 3s
JD Davison
- Far 2 - 10/20 (50.0%) (1.00 PPs)
- 3PT - 17/58 (29.3%) (0.88 PPs)
Noah Gurley
- Far 2 - 11/24 (45.8%) (0.92 PPs)
- 3PT - 13/48 (27.1%) (0.81 PPs)
Juwan Gary
- Far 2 - 4/10 (40.0%) (0.80 PPs)
- 3PT - 7/32 (21.9%) (0.66 PPs)
JD Davison
- Far 2 - 10/20 (50.0%) (1.00 PPs)
- 3PT - 17/58 (29.3%) (0.88 PPs)
Noah Gurley
- Far 2 - 11/24 (45.8%) (0.92 PPs)
- 3PT - 13/48 (27.1%) (0.81 PPs)
Juwan Gary
- Far 2 - 4/10 (40.0%) (0.80 PPs)
- 3PT - 7/32 (21.9%) (0.66 PPs)
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:05 pm to SummerOfGeorge
What is the definition on "Far 2"?
10 feet?
15 feet?
10 feet?
15 feet?
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:10 pm to Chadaristic
-5.5 tomorrow.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:11 pm to Chadaristic
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What is the definition on "Far 2"?
This was actually a question like 2 weeks ago on his running FAQ blog
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Bart Torvik
January 26, 2022 at 1:43 PM
Hi -- it is based on descriptions in the play by play data. So "layups" "tips" "dunks" (etc) are counted as rim attempts, and all other twos are counted as mid-range. Obviously this is far from an exact science, as it relies on scorekeeper descriptions and play-by-play fidelity ... but it's the best I can do, which is good enough for me.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:12 pm to Warmth in Winter
Not sure how credible this website is, but they seem to think we make it even with only 15 wins.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:13 pm to Warmth in Winter
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What’s crazy is that we are still projected 99.9% chance to make the tournament even with only 15 wins.
17 is the number. We probably wouldn’t even have to go to Dayton
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:14 pm to Warmth in Winter
Haha - our schedule strength broke his algorithm
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:16 pm to mistaken4193
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17 is the number. We probably wouldn’t even have to go to Dayton
Should probably not test fate at 17-15 with a 1st round SECT loss, though
I just ran a Torvik NCAAT simulation if we finished
@ OM (L)
Arky (L)
State (W)
@ UK (L)
@ Vandy (L)
USCe (W)
A&M (W)
@ LSU (L)
17-14 (7-11)
SECT - A&M (L)
17-15
We are in as a 10 seed - the 5th team away from the play in game.
Same thing, but we lose at home to A&M
I just ran a Torvik NCAAT simulation if we finished
@ OM (L)
Arky (L)
State (W)
@ UK (L)
@ Vandy (L)
USCe (W)
A&M (L)
@ LSU (L)
16-15 (6-12)
SECT - A&M (L)
16-16
NIT - 6th team out (actually not NIT because I think you have to have a winning record)
This post was edited on 2/8/22 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:22 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Win out home games/lose out road games/lose to A&M 1st Round SECT
- 18-14 (8-10)
- 7 seed
I still am not sure I buy that, but there ya go.
And what if we magically play pretty well?
@ OM (W)
Arky (W)
State (W)
@ UK (L)
@ Vandy (W)
USCe (W)
A&M (W)
@ LSU (L)
SECT - UF (W)
SECT - VOLS (L)
- 21-12 (10-8)
- 5 seed
- 18-14 (8-10)
- 7 seed
I still am not sure I buy that, but there ya go.
And what if we magically play pretty well?
@ OM (W)
Arky (W)
State (W)
@ UK (L)
@ Vandy (W)
USCe (W)
A&M (W)
@ LSU (L)
SECT - UF (W)
SECT - VOLS (L)
- 21-12 (10-8)
- 5 seed
This post was edited on 2/8/22 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:31 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Last one I promise but it is hilarious and sounds perfect for us
@ Ole Miss - L
Arkansas - L
Miss St - L
@ Kentucky - W
@ Vandy - L
S Carolina - W
Texas A&M - L
@ LSU L
SECT : TAMU - W
SECT : Auburn - L
17-16 (6-12)
- NET : 36
- 8 Q1 Wins
- 11 Q1/Q2 Wins
#12 Seed Play In Game - Last Team in Tournament
@ Ole Miss - L
Arkansas - L
Miss St - L
@ Kentucky - W
@ Vandy - L
S Carolina - W
Texas A&M - L
@ LSU L
SECT : TAMU - W
SECT : Auburn - L
17-16 (6-12)
- NET : 36
- 8 Q1 Wins
- 11 Q1/Q2 Wins
#12 Seed Play In Game - Last Team in Tournament
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