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Posted on 12/15/21 at 7:29 pm to mistaken4193
Posted on 12/15/21 at 7:29 pm to mistaken4193
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JD and JQ not being able to stay in front of people is our biggest problem IMO
there is no excuse outside of effort either. Those 2 are quicker than 99% of people they will play against.
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Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:02 pm to mistaken4193
South Dakota St lost again. 
They are too good to be losing these games
They are too good to be losing these games
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:39 pm to mistaken4193
Missouri St is no slouch, and was heavily favored to win the game.
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 12/16/21 at 1:00 am to IRobbedMyMom
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Missouri St is no slouch, and was heavily favored to win the game.
Yes...but it was a winnable game against a top 75 KP team.Tonight was understandable but SDSU shouldn’t have lost to Washington or Idaho. They are better than those 2 teams.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 6:02 am to mistaken4193
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I doubt Oats would do it because he purely runs man from what I’ve Seen but would going to a zone defense help us?
It may help the penetration issue, but zone isn't typically something you use to get better at rebounding. It usually makes you worse at it.
But yeah, the bigs are helping on so many drives, so the rebounding isn't entirely their fault. It's nearly impossible to contest a drive AND box out your man.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 8:03 am to BigBird09
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:39 am to BigBird09
Both of those guards played last year. A good bit of the problem is on pick and rolls. They pick our guard, our center forces their guard way out, but the big that picked is headed toward the basket, and a good pass pays off. Oldest play in the books, but we are having trouble defending it. Last year, for some reason, our center was able to get about 7 rebounds a game. Maybe because he was a senior and had the experience to handle it. Or maybe another big man isnt helping out. We do the same thing to the other teams. And we were hurting Memphis early with JQ getting the ball inside. He is the quickest player on our team, and it showed up vs Memphis when he had to sit down. Everything got a little stagnant.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:46 am to IB4bama
Posted on 12/16/21 at 11:28 am to mistaken4193
quote:Completely agree, however I won’t lose any sleep over this. It’d be nice if SDSU could boost our S.O.S but it’s gonna be up there regardless of what the jackrabbits do when you play 3/4 of the final four in the regular season. No matter what our goals are for this season, we control our own destiny.
Tonight was understandable but SDSU shouldn’t have lost to Washington or Idaho. They are better than those 2 teams.
This post was edited on 12/16/21 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 12/16/21 at 11:53 am to IRobbedMyMom
Posted on 12/16/21 at 11:57 am to Chadaristic
There are a bunch of Covid outbreaks in the NBA, NFL and NCAAB. Hope it doesn’t hit our team and/or alter our schedule.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 12:31 pm to CaptainMorgan
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Obviously the last two games have highlighted the issue, but I’d be curious to see how this team compares to last year’s on the boards. On paper, I expected more production from our post players this season, but we might have actually had more length on the floor last season with Petty, Herb, and Reese playing a lot of minutes together. They weren’t giants, but they played very long for guards.
We have size this year, but it’s not across the board like we saw last season, especially when we we have a combination of JQ, JD, Shack, and Ellis on the court with Gary.
Oddly enough, I feel like Gary rebounded better playing completely out of position last season than he has so far this season, but that could just be perception or decency bias.
Disclaimer: I’ve reviewed absolutely no stats to support any of my thoughts or theories in this post and they are not founded in any mathematical or scientific manner.
Last Year / This Year (Per Game)
Us:
Offensive Rebounds: 12.4 / 12.7 (+0.3)
Defensive Rebounds: 28.3 / 28.4 (+0.1)
Total Rebounds: 40.7 / 41.1 (+0.4)
Opponents:
Offensive Rebounds Allowed: 11.5 / 11.9 (+0.4)
Defensive Rebounds Allowed: 26.5 / 23.6 (-2.9)
Total Rebounds Allowed: 38.0 / 35.5 (-2.5)
This post was edited on 12/16/21 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 12/16/21 at 12:36 pm to BigBird09
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It may help the penetration issue, but zone isn't typically something you use to get better at rebounding. It usually makes you worse at it.
But yeah, the bigs are helping on so many drives, so the rebounding isn't entirely their fault. It's nearly impossible to contest a drive AND box out your man.
As several have noted, I think the issue with giving up so many offensive rebounds is directly tied to the way we had to defend. Just way to many blow-bys forcing guys to help and leave their man unoccupied once the shot goes up (or similarly for the alley-oop fest for Memphis).
Herb, Petty, and Primo were all much better perimeter defenders than JQ/Shack/JD/Miles.
We went from having five plus-defenders on the wings last year (Herb, Petty, Primo, Ellis, Gary) to just two (Ellis, Gary).
JQ, Shack, and JD is a great offensive lineup, but you are obviously giving up a TON defensively. When they are stroking it (Gonzaga/Houston), you can cover that up. You just score more than the other team. But on an off shooting night like Tuesday, you are going to get blasted.
Last year we had the defensive firepower to make up for a bad offensive night and still grind teams down, but this year is doesn't look like we do. So lets hope we don't have too many of those.
This post was edited on 12/16/21 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 12/16/21 at 12:51 pm to Chadaristic
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There are a bunch of Covid outbreaks in the NBA, NFL and NCAAB. Hope it doesn’t hit our team and/or alter our schedule.
Not trying to get political but if everyone is vaccinated IMO we shouldn’t have to test unless someone shows symptoms
Posted on 12/16/21 at 1:12 pm to DLev45
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As several have noted, I think the issue with giving up so many offensive rebounds is directly tied to the way we had to defend. Just way to many blow-bys forcing guys to help and leave their man unoccupied once the shot goes up (or similarly for the alley-oop fest for Memphis).
JQ, Shack, and JD is a great offensive lineup, but you are obviously giving up a TON defensively. When they are stroking it (Gonzaga/Houston), you can cover that up. You just score more than the other team. But on an off shooting night like Tuesday, you are going to get blasted.
If you go back and watch, Houston and Memphis, knowing we play man and switch on high screens, would just cycle through high screens until they got JQ/JD/Miles on the ball. They even largely avoided Shack if they could, and almost completely avoided driving at Gary or Ellis.
Once they got their match, then they triggered their pick-and-roll to force help and then their back cutters ran off of that.
This post was edited on 12/16/21 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 12/16/21 at 1:18 pm to mistaken4193
On-ball defense has been suspect, but the helpside defense has been just as bad if not worse.
One of the reasons that there are so many easy dunks is because the bigs - namely Bediako - are overcommitting on the drive, and then not forcing the ballhandler to have to make a difficult pass. Use of hands is far more important there than just sheer size.
Along with the big not doing very well, the backside guard or big is doing almost nothing to help. There have been a lot of instances of that backside guard letting the rolling big cut in front, and then they are merely swiping from behind. There's been several times where Gary or Ellis have just simply a step or two slow in rotating down to cut off the guy.
Everyone sees the guards getting beat, but the other 4 guys have got to step up and play better team defense altogether.
One of the reasons that there are so many easy dunks is because the bigs - namely Bediako - are overcommitting on the drive, and then not forcing the ballhandler to have to make a difficult pass. Use of hands is far more important there than just sheer size.
Along with the big not doing very well, the backside guard or big is doing almost nothing to help. There have been a lot of instances of that backside guard letting the rolling big cut in front, and then they are merely swiping from behind. There's been several times where Gary or Ellis have just simply a step or two slow in rotating down to cut off the guy.
Everyone sees the guards getting beat, but the other 4 guys have got to step up and play better team defense altogether.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 3:12 pm to DLev45
ESPN - Men's CBB Transfer Scoreboard
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"Grass isn't always greener"
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Noah Gurley, Alabama
A slashing, inside-outside forward who could make shots from the perimeter seemed like a perfect fit for Nate Oats' system, but it hasn't panned out thus far for Gurley in Tuscaloosa. With Oats opting to play smaller 1-4 and the emergence of freshman Charles Bediako at the center spot, there simply hasn't been much room for Gurley to be more than a bench piece. He's averaging 6.4 points after putting up 15.4 last season.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 3:44 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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"Grass isn't always greener"
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Noah Gurley, Alabama
A slashing, inside-outside forward who could make shots from the perimeter seemed like a perfect fit for Nate Oats' system, but it hasn't panned out thus far for Gurley in Tuscaloosa. With Oats opting to play smaller 1-4 and the emergence of freshman Charles Bediako at the center spot, there simply hasn't been much room for Gurley to be more than a bench piece. He's averaging 6.4 points after putting up 15.4 last season.
This reads as if Oats just wanted to go in a different direction.
Gurley has started 5 of 10 games and shot an abysmal 20% from 3PT after shooting 34.4% over 3 seasons with Furman.
Oats has been forced to go in a different direction. He has tried everything he can to get Gurley going and it hasn't happened yet.
This post was edited on 12/16/21 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 12/16/21 at 5:53 pm to DLev45
Maybe I’ll be proven wrong but I really think you guys are reading too much into the Gurley situation. His role has completely shifted after being a ball dominant/volume scoring forward at a competitive division one school. It’s been way too small of a sample size to jump to conclusions. Let’s not forget what was said about JQ in here before February last season.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 6:00 pm to IRobbedMyMom
He’s not playing with a lot of energy and seems hesitant all over the court.
Maybe he’ll settle in and get some confidence as the season goes on. We need him to step up.
Maybe he’ll settle in and get some confidence as the season goes on. We need him to step up.
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