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Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:15 pm to Joka2kold
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:15 pm to Joka2kold
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It's all about matchups
No, it's all about the system. Oats is running his shite every night. He's not waiting to see what the matchups are. He wants to play fast and get high percentage shots. Every night the plan is to get buckets. The guys that can score and not turn the ball over are gonna play more than the guys who do the other things well.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:18 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
I think Oats puts more emphasis on defense shockingly enough. Whatever unit defends the best will start IMO
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:00 am to mistaken4193
I think Gurley starts at the 5 to begin the year, he's our veteran frontcourt guy. As the season goes on I could see Bediako cracking the lineup. I don't feel great about starting 3 Guards, especially without Burnett now, but that's at least going to be very fun to watch.
I'm just ready for the Keon Ellis breakout season.
I'm just ready for the Keon Ellis breakout season.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:24 am to TheNameIsDalton
To me the most likely starting 5 to begin the year is:
JQ
Shack
Ellis
Gary
Gurley
And that lineup makes some sense. Of course there's a decent argument to be made for keeping JQ as the 6th man that plays starter minutes, and maybe Bediako will be ready to start.
JQ
Shack
Ellis
Gary
Gurley
And that lineup makes some sense. Of course there's a decent argument to be made for keeping JQ as the 6th man that plays starter minutes, and maybe Bediako will be ready to start.
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 9:25 am
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:39 am to Crede15
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To me the most likely starting 5 to begin the year is:
JQ
Shack
Ellis
Gary
Gurley
I think it's probably what we will see to start off too. Although, I think the better line up has JD starting in place of Shack with Shack as the 6th man. Unfortunately, in order to keep Shack happy, he will start.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 10:17 am to DT55Forever1
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think it's probably what we will see to start off too. Although, I think the better line up has JD starting in place of Shack with Shack as the 6th man. Unfortunately, in order to keep Shack happy, he will start.
I agree completely. Im not sure JD can bring that instant offense off the bench bc reportedly his 3 point shot isnt quite there yet. Whereas Shack can provide the instant offense Oats is looking for.
But, the truth is we still dont have a real good idea of what we will get from JD, Bediako, Holt, or Tchikou. Any of those four could potentially push for big minutes.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 10:21 am to SECSolomonGrundy
Probably already posted by Chad, but I didn't see it. Good read on our bigs. I think the added talent there might make up for the experience we lost in the backcourt.
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Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:55 am to Chadaristic
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SEC Men’s Basketball Preview: Kentucky Leads a Crowded Field at the Top
The big picture
The SEC has evolved into a reliably competitive league over the past several years—obviously, it’s not just Kentucky and everyone else anymore—and this is shaping up as a fascinating campaign, with five teams holding an ostensible shot at winning the conference. John Calipari and the reloaded Wildcats won’t go 9–16 again. Nate Oats has built a stable contender at Alabama. Arkansas and Tennessee have proved they can hang, and Auburn can’t be counted out. On paper, there’s just not a lot separating the upper tier of teams. And while LSU and Florida don’t quite have the same level of talent this year, those programs have been perennially relevant.
This isn’t a league with massive star power relative to seasons past—in that respect, it’s a slightly down year for a group of teams that have become a consistent feeder of NBA talent. A highly active transfer market has reshaped the conference and college hoops at large. But there should be six or seven tournament-caliber squads here when it’s all said and done, and potentially a couple of Final Four–caliber teams.
Conference Player of the Year: Scotty Pippen Jr., Vanderbilt
It admittedly feels weird picking a player from a bottom-half team to win this award, which probably says more about the state of the league than anything else. That’s not a knock on Pippen, who was excellent last season and has his work cut out for him in helping Vandy back to relevance. But the top teams in the league should all rely largely on multiple key contributors, making this a tough race to project until we get a sense of teams’ usage patterns. Pippen is the unquestioned focal point of his team and has a leg up in that respect. I just wouldn’t go to Vegas and place my bet here anytime soon.
Newcomer of the Year: JD Davison, Alabama
Davison is a remarkable athlete and gifted passer who will see big minutes for the Crimson Tide out of the gate. Alabama brings back two high-quality, experienced guards in Jahvon Quinerly and Jaden Shackelford, and should deploy Davison alongside them, leaning on his ability to play in transition and find teammates to maximize their offensive output. The five-star recruit should be a big part of a balanced offense and should be among the top freshmen in the league, while drawing plenty of interest from NBA scouts.
Dark-horse team: Auburn
The SEC seems more wide-open than usual, and Auburn should be tangibly better than last season, with one of the biggest and most athletic rosters in the conference. Half-court scoring may be a concern, but the Tigers could be a stellar defensive team, with 7' 1" Walker Kessler transferring in from North Carolina and manning the middle. Freshman Jabari Smith—a projected top-10 draft pick—could be a difference-maker and won’t need to be a true offensive focal point to make an impact. The big question here is the backcourt play, with score-first guard K.D. Johnson joining up from Georgia, Eastern Kentucky transfer Wendell Green Jr. the projected starter and top passer on the roster and breakout candidate Allen Flanigan injured to start the season. But if this all breaks correctly, there’s enough talent for Auburn to hang with anyone.
First-team all-conference
Colin Castleton, Florida
Jahvon Quinerly, Alabama
Scotty Pippen Jr., Vanderbilt
Jaden Shackelford, Alabama
Oscar Tshiebwe, Kentucky
SI’s predicted order of finish
1. Kentucky
2. Alabama
Nate Oats has turned the Tide into a nationally relevant program, and while they’ll be hard-pressed to go 16–2 in the conference again, the drop-off may not be wildly steep. There’s no replacing Herbert Jones, and it’ll be hard to repeat as a truly elite defensive team without him. Shackelford is back, but there’s less shooting on the roster sans Josh Primo and John Petty. The arrival of touted freshman Davison instantly makes Bama a more dynamic transition team, and his partnership with Quinerly—a breakout candidate in his own right—will likely determine how far this team goes. Expect Furman transfer Noah Gurley and returner Keon Ellis to make big contributions. There’s more than enough here to mount a serious challenge in the league and more personnel continuity than most.
3. Arkansas
4. Tennessee
5.Auburn
6. Florida
7. LSU
8. Mississippi State
9. Ole Miss
10. Texas A&M
11. Vanderbilt
12. Missouri
13. South Carolina
14. Georgia
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Posted on 10/28/21 at 4:44 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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Im not sure JD can bring that instant offense off the bench bc reportedly his 3 point shot isnt quite there yet. Whereas Shack can provide the instant offense Oats is looking for.
Did you come to Coleman this past Sunday and watch JD win the game for us with a drive to the bucket, then four straight free throws to seal the game? I love Shack, and he played great D in that game, but he was 1 for 14, only 1 for 7 on his drives to the basket, while JD was our 2nd leading scorer with 19 points, mainly from drives to the basket - he never took a three. I'm not saying that one player is better than another, but JD does not have to drain a bunch of 3's to win for us. Oats said Shack would likely never shoot that bad again. I don't think JD is better than JQ either, but in the Tide Pride scrimmage the other day, the Red Team (starters?) were JD, Shack, Gary, Gurley, Bediako. The White team won - JQ, Ellis, Miles, Holt, Tchikou - Hylton sat out but likely would have been in Tchikou's place.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 4:45 pm to Chadaristic
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30 teams in 30 days college basketball preview: Alabama Crimson Tide
How it went down in 2020-2021:
It was a tale of two seasons for Alabama basketball last year.
As easy as it is to forget after a run to dual SEC titles and the Sweet 16, the Tide actually struggled out of the gate. They went 5-3 in the non-conference, falling to Stanford, Clemson and Western Kentucky.
Then SEC play, the light switched and the Tide turned into one of the best teams in college basketball.
Alabama went 9-0 to start off conference play, including road wins over then No. 7 Tennessee and LSU, a home win over Arkansas and sweeping the season series against Kentucky. A loss to No. 24 Oklahoma in the Big 12/SEC Challenge on Jan. 30 and a loss at No. 18 Missouri on Feb. 6 couldn’t slow down the Crimson Tide, as Alabama went on to win six of its seven remaining regular season games, entering the SEC Tournament as the No. 1 seed.
Alabama cruised past Mississippi State 85-48 in the quarterfinal before defeating Tennessee 73-68 and then LSU in the SEC Championship game. After winning its first SEC regular season championship since 2002 and first tournament championship since 1991, Alabama entered the NCAA Tournament as a No. 2 seed.
The Crimson Tide cruised past No. 15 seed Iona and No. 10 seed Maryland en route to a Sweet Sixteen matchup with No. 11 seed UCLA. However, that’s as far as Oats’ squad could go as the Bruins knocked off Alabama 88-78 in overtime to end their season. The Bruins of course, would advance to a Final Four.
Despite the Sweet Sixteen loss, there was a lot to be excited about last year’s Alabama team. The Crimson Tide’s guard play last season was among the nation’s best, led by Jaden Shackelford (14.0 points per game), Jahvon Quinerly (12.9 PPG), John Petty (12.6 PPG) and Jordan Primo (8.1 PPG), it was nearly impossible to slow one of the nation's highest energy and up-tempo squads.
Forward Herbert Jones was maybe the biggest piece however, averaging 11.2 points, a team-high 6.6 rebounds and 3.3 assists per game. Yet it was his work on the defensive end that earned the most acclaim, leading the team in steals (1.7 per game) and blocks (1.1 per game) en route to SEC Defensive Player of the Year honors.
Oh, and he won SEC Player of the Year as well, capping a historic season for the Tide.
What You Need to Know About 2021-2022:
Key Returnees: Jaden Shackelford, Keon Ellis, Jahvon Quinerly, Juwan Gary, Alex Tchikou (DNP last season)
Key Losses: Josh Primo, Herb Jones, John Petty, Alex Reese, Jordan Bruner
Key Transfers: Noah Gurley, Nimari Burnett (Out for Season)
Key Recruits: JD Davison, Charles Bediako, Jusuan Holt
Say this for Nate Oats: The man knows how to develop NBA talent. One year after Kira Lewis went in the lottery, Joshua Primo did the same, going to the San Antonio Spurs. Herbert Jones was drafted by the New Orleans Pelicans and is already playing key minutes for them and John Petty is off to the pros as well.
Yet despite that talent drain, Alabama still brings back a ton of pieces from last year’s roster, including the team’s top two leading scorers in Shackelford and Quinerly.
Ellis, after only averaging 17.5 minutes per game last season, could potentially have a larger role this year. Yet, there would be a lot more optimism surrounding this Alabama roster had the Crimson Tide not lost Texas Tech transfer guard Nimari Burnett for the season after a torn ACL. Burnett was expected to be a solid backcourt piece for the Tide, especially as Nate Oats looks to fill the production lost from the departures of Petty and Primo.
Losing Burnett puts Alabama in a tougher position heading to the season, but they will still boast a very deep lineup that features key returnees in Shackelford, Ellis, Quinerly and Gary, as well as some exciting newcomers in Davison (Mr. Basketball in the state of Alabama), as well as Gurley an athletic stretch big from Furman, Bediako and Holt. Tchikou is also a former high four-star prospect who missed the entirety of his freshman season with an Achilles tear.
This is a very deep Alabama roster that puts them among the best teams in the SEC. Davison, Bediako and Holt make for the nation’s No. 14-ranked recruiting class and with a number of newcomers and transfers coming in, Alabama has a group that can match up with the nation’s best.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 4:46 pm to Chadaristic
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Schedule Breakdown:
Just how tough is Alabama's out of conference schedule? Well, all you've got to do is ask Nate Oats, who readily admitted a few weeks ago that it "might have been a little too much to bite off, to be honest with you."
When the coach says that, you know there are some big games on the docket, and that's certainly the case with Alabama, who might have the toughest schedule in the country when all is said and done.
It doesn't necessarily start out that way, with three games that should be wins at Coleman Coliseum to open the 2021-2022 slate. But then from there, well, it doesn't stop.
It starts Thanksgiving week, when Alabama goes to Orlando for the ESPN Events Invitational. There, they will open with an Iona squad that gave them fits in the first round of the NCAA Tournament last year, before getting either Drake or Belmont in the second round. Drake you'll remember, went 26-5 last year and won an NCAA Tournament game, while Belmont returns all five starters off a squad that went 24-3 last year. Oh, and in the championship round, they could face Kansas, a preseason Top 5 team as well.
And here's the crazy thing, that's the easy part of the schedule.
A week later Alabama will fly 3,000 miles to Seattle to face Gonzaga in one of the most highly-anticipated out of conference games in school history, and a week later, get Houston at Coleman Coliseum. Yes, that is back-to-back teams that made the Final Four in a one-week span, and then after that, is Memphis - one of the most talented teams in college basketball - in a game at FedEx Forum. The Tigers are ranked No. 12 in the preseason polls.
Finally, there is a game against Mountain West favorite Colorado State - and that's all before SEC play starts. It also doesn't include a matchup with the... REIGNING NATIONAL CHAMPION!!! That's right, Baylor plays Bama in the Big 12-SEC Challenge.
So let's read that again: The out of conference schedule includes a game against Gonzaga in Spokane, Baylor, Houston, a visit to Memphis, a matchup with Colorado State on a neutral court, either Drake or Belmont (two of the best mid majors in the sport). Oh, and maybe a game with Kansas for you-know-what's and giggles.
Mercy!
All of that is of course before a loaded SEC slate, which will include home-and-homes with preseason Top 25 teams Kentucky and Auburn, as well as projected NCAA Tournament squad Mississippi State. I guess if there is a silver lining to this schedule, it's that they only have to play Arkansas and Tennessee (both ranked in the preseason Top 25) once, and they're both at home. Same as fringe Top 25 team LSU.
Still, if there is a tougher overall schedule in college basketball, we'd like to see it.
What to Expect in 2021-2022:
Expect another high-flying, exciting Alabama team with a great mix of perimeter and frontcourt players. Shackelford and Quinerly are already receiving some preseason love as potential SEC players of the year, while players like Davison and Bediako. Quinerly was recently suspended for breaking an unspecified team rule, but will be back to start the season and is one of the best point guards in college basketball.
This is another Top-25 team with incredible depth. While the losses of Jones, Primo, Petty, Bruner and Reese will be impactful, this team has an incredible collection of guards and wings, giving them no reason to regress. I would expect the loss of Jones to hurt their defensive production, but offense should be of no issue for this team.
A Sweet 16 appearance last year was the Crimson Tide’s first since making the Elite Eight way back in 2003-04, but this season the expectations are much higher.
A Sweet Sixteen appearance is expected once again, but this team has national championship aspirations.
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Posted on 10/28/21 at 6:22 pm to AbSnopes
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don't think JD is better than JQ either, but in the Tide Pride scrimmage the other day, the Red Team (starters?) were JD, Shack, Gary, Gurley, Bediako. The White team won - JQ, Ellis, Miles, Holt, Tchikou
Im not surprised by that result, although i wish i could have watched. Given the choice, i take the white team roster to win that matchup 75% of the time. JQ and Ellis are studs, while Miles and Tchikou have two of the highest ceilings on the team.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 10:43 pm to AbSnopes
i doubt that was a starters vs bench thing, but gary playing the 3 in practice is interesting. the hype on his shot improving must have some legit truth to it.
Posted on 10/29/21 at 9:49 am to rushball
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i doubt that was a starters vs bench thing, but gary playing the 3 in practice is interesting. the hype on his shot improving must have some legit truth to it.
I'm really interested to see Gary's progression this season. He had to play a bit out of position last year even though he did a valiant job, especially cleaning up around the rim.
Posted on 10/29/21 at 10:32 am to TheNameIsDalton
Gary is gonna be our new Herb Jones, minus the lead ball handler role. He can guard all over the floor, he can finish at the rim, and he is gonna be able to knock down open shots. I dont think his defense will be as elite as Herb's, but his rebounding and finishing can be better.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 12:17 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
I thought Herb would eventually succeed because he’d just keep working on his game, but I can’t believe that’s he’s already started five straight games for the Pelicans.
The only game I saw any of was against the Hawks, and they put him on Trae Young from the start. He’s basically their defensive stopper already at this point. Their coach has even talked about eventually playing him as a small ball 5.
He’s still obviously got a lot to work on offensively (it’s fairly simple - he needs to shoot between 35-38% on 3s), but I personally didn’t see this coming. Zion being hurt obviously plays a part, but he’s a legit rotation piece already.
The only game I saw any of was against the Hawks, and they put him on Trae Young from the start. He’s basically their defensive stopper already at this point. Their coach has even talked about eventually playing him as a small ball 5.
He’s still obviously got a lot to work on offensively (it’s fairly simple - he needs to shoot between 35-38% on 3s), but I personally didn’t see this coming. Zion being hurt obviously plays a part, but he’s a legit rotation piece already.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 12:24 pm to Crede15
If Herb turns himself into a reliable 3pt shooter he will make an extraordinary amount of money playing basketball over the next 10-12 years.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 4:19 pm to Robot Santa
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Herb Jones is looking more comfortable on the offensive end lately
Last two starts: 10 ppg on 67% shooting (8-12) in 23.5 minutes per game
First three starts: 2.6 ppg on 36% shooting (4-11) in 30 minutes per game
Small sample size but Jones shows a lot of potential
Posted on 10/30/21 at 4:25 pm to Chadaristic
Found this website that ranks rookies by whatever algorithm the site uses and gives you options to filter different statistics and create your own set of rankings with your selections. I haven't messed with it yet, but they have Herb as the #10 rookie by their default settings.
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