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Posted on 1/18/23 at 8:23 am to
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 1/18/23 at 8:23 am to
What this (and expanding it to top 200) shows me is that analytics sites have a very difficult time using stats vs terrible teams and finding the best way to weight them. Because Alabama ranks ahead of Tennessee when only using Top 150, 200 and 250 games.

But somehow performances against Tennessee Tech, McNeese, Alcorn and South Carolina move them ahead of us? That's idiotic.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 8:25 am
Posted by Brodeur
Member since Feb 2012
4692 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 8:23 am to
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That Chuck 3 last night was halfway down. I wish it would have dropped for him


We had a A LOT go halfway down. Pretty much all of Clowney's rattled in and out.

The only bad miss I remember was Dom. Need him to get it going.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46314 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 8:32 am to
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What this (and expanding it to top 200) shows me is that analytics sites have a very difficult time using stats vs terrible teams and finding the best way to weight them. Because Alabama ranks ahead of Tennessee when only using Top 150, 200 and 250 games.

But somehow performances against Tennessee Tech, McNeese, Alcorn and South Carolina move them ahead of us? That's idiotic.


I think the same logic applies to Houston. They're both elite teams who did not schedule aggressively enough to deserve a 1 seed.

Honestly I don't think anything you do in wins against 250+ teams should even be considered in these formulas.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 8:34 am
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
14070 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 8:33 am to
quote:

What this (and expanding it to top 200) shows me is that analytics sites have a very difficult time using stats vs terrible teams and finding the best way to weight them. Because Alabama ranks ahead of Tennessee when only using Top 150, 200 and 250 games.

But somehow performances against Tennessee Tech, McNeese, Alcorn and South Carolina move them ahead of us? That's idiotic.

Looking at how crazy their Kenpom defensive metric is, I'm not convinced we would jump them even if they lost their next 3-4 games.
Posted by DT55Forever1
Member since Jan 2018
3154 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 8:38 am to
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analytics sites


What would you say is the top dog as far as ranking sites or organizations for basketball? Who does the best job?
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
30344 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 8:48 am to
I remember watching Jabari Smith last year at the Barn and thinking I wish Bama could get a player that good…….and then we ended up with someone better. I think Miller is the best player to ever put on a Crimson uniform
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 8:48 am
Posted by WeWillFly
Up North
Member since Oct 2022
1492 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 8:56 am to
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I’ll say it….Buc-ees Beaver Nuggets are overrated AF and not good


BLASPHEMY
Posted by Chadaristic
Member since Jan 2011
41010 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 8:57 am to
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They said that in regard to two differences. The rule where under 1 minute and TO is called, that the ball can be advanced where it is brought in and instead of 2 halves, they should have 4 quarters. The ladies were much better than the usual crew we’ve had.


Exactly - they were making a good point and I agree with them. I'm not sure why anyone thinks two twenty minute halves still make sense. I'm against making changes just for the sake of making changes, but this a change that will modernize the game a bit.

Naismith created basketball ~130 years ago and if two halves made sense at that time, so be it. But we're in 2023 now and college basketball is still the only version of the game that is played in two halves instead of four quarters. I think the NCAA did move to four quarters for a few years at some point before switching back to halves, but I think it's well past time to make a permanent move to four quarters.

The argument for halves over quarters is that is supposedly leads to fewer stoppages, more scoring opportunities, a steady pace/flow and closer games.

The pace and flow of a game is completely obliterated when a team is in the bonus with 9:00+ left in the half because the officials are rarely able to call a clean game that allows both teams to play with a flow. All of the foul calls that lead to one and one's and eventually to double bonuses for half of a half are creating a boatload of stoppages. Moving to four quarters and having fouls reset would improve the game in those areas imo.

It has almost become rare to watch a game and not have any complaints at all about the officiating. Some games are littered with ticky-tack touch calls while others are super physical with a lot of contact and few whistles. Ideally you would like to find a happy medium between the two and have every game called that way. At the very least you could live with it changing from game to game as long as it called both ways for each team. But there are a lot of games where it feels like it is unevenly called and a lot of times it seems like the officials are influenced by the environment in the arena.

I am pretty unbiased about calls when watching our games and you will pretty much never see me complain about it much unless it is super egregious. Officiating isn't as easy as it seems when we are watching on tv. I understand and appreciate that. You can't expect them to be perfect on every call just like you can't expect an MLB umpire to make the strike/ball call correctly 100% of the time. The human element does exist there. Block/charge can be incredibly difficult to call for example - maybe one of the toughest officiating calls in all of sports.

Shout out to all of the officials out there that are nameless to me. They go out there and call a game and do so in a way that makes me hardly even know they are there. They call a foul when they see one and then let play continue. They don't make a show of calling a charge by running from the baseline to the timeline. They aren't household names like Doug Shows, Pat Adams, Angel Hernandez, CB Bucknor.

I didn't intend on this post being this long. I apologize if it looks like a wall of text. Feel free to not read it if you don't want to.





ETA: and I was a couple pages behind, so some of this was probably already covered by someone. Oh well.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 8:59 am
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
6626 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 8:58 am to
Was there any type of statement regarding what got gOats so fired up that he got "T"ed up last night?
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46314 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 8:59 am to
I'm coming around on that. He's just got it all. He's a high level shot maker, he defends like a guy who isn't a high level shot maker, he's got a high basketball IQ, and he never plays selfish basketball despite being the most talented player on the team. How many dumb shots has he taken this season? 5? 10? There have been a lot of guys with his talent who regularly take that many in one game.
Posted by WeWillFly
Up North
Member since Oct 2022
1492 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 9:02 am to
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I didn't intend on this post being this long. I apologize if it looks like a wall of text. Feel free to not read it if you don't want to.


I liked it, it was pretty informative to be completely honest.

Your apology is accepted amigo
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46314 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 9:03 am to
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It has almost become rare to watch a game and not have any complaints at all about the officiating. Some games are littered with ticky-tack touch calls while others are super physical with a lot of contact and few whistles.


And then you have games like last night where the refs are mostly in the background until about 4 minutes left in the half/game when they suddenly decide it is their time to shine and every fricking possession includes a whistle.
Posted by Chadaristic
Member since Jan 2011
41010 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 9:03 am to
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Torvik Rankings Only using games vs Top 150 teams Only (Off, Def)

2. Alabama (12-2, 6-0) (13, 10)




Hot damn, that is awesome. Would you mind posting the top ten as well? Just curious how our numbers stack up against some of the other elites.
Posted by Tyler Crane
Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Jul 2022
63 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 9:05 am to
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Get outta here with that BS
Joker, youre the type of guy that probably loved sports growing up but wasn't actually good enough to make your girls hs b-team. You're the type that maybe dress the part though, you know, the type to wear a Michael Jordan jersey to a backyard basketball game against minors with headbands and wristbands on and a kneepad on the same knee that Jordan wore his on. You are not the Alabama Sports Board commissioner. You're just a member like the rest of us. You are a habitual in the know but not really forecaster. I'm willing to bet you Rolando McClain don't know you from a can of paint.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 10:16 am
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
14070 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 9:08 am to
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I think Miller is the best player to ever put on a Crimson uniform
I've been to most Bama home games since the early 90s and he's the most dominant player I've ever seen at Alabama. A wing casually dropping 30 points and collecting 10 boards on the road on 16 FGA is something else.

But Jerry Harper set the bar really high in terms of best to play at Alabama. He averaged 23 points and 22 rebounds per game his senior year.
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
30344 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 9:09 am to
What’s so great about a pancake syrup tasting corn puff?
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
14070 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 9:09 am to
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Hot damn, that is awesome. Would you mind posting the top ten as well? Just curious how our numbers stack up against some of the other elites.
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Posted by WeWillFly
Up North
Member since Oct 2022
1492 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 9:12 am to
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What’s so great about a pancake syrup tasting corn puff?


It tastes good - that's all you needa know
Posted by Chadaristic
Member since Jan 2011
41010 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 9:13 am to
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That Chuck 3 last night was halfway down. I wish it would have dropped for him


The form isn't all that great, but they are getting closer to falling. You can kind of sense that he has at least a little confidence in it. He's probably hitting them here and there in practice otherwise he would've been told by now to not take them anymore. That was his fourth attempt of the season, so i'm going to say he makes the next one. Would be a cool moment for him and you know the rest of the guys will get fired up when he drops one. I really thought that one was going in last night on release. I hope he gets one to fall by the end of the season.

We do need to talk about his free throw shooting though. 12/33 on the season at 36.4% isn't really cutting it for me. Most bigs aren't very good in that department, but 36.4%? Come on, Chuck. You have to be able to do better than that. I mean, at least get to 50% even though that number still sucks.
Posted by KingOfTheWorld
South of heaven, west of hell
Member since Oct 2018
7656 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 9:14 am to
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If this comes across As Sexist I’m sorry but they can’t put 2 women on a Men’s College Basketball Broadcast. It was awful


I’d prefer men for mens games, but it was not as bad as I thought it would be. The analyst lady basically knew her stuff. At least Mowins wasn’t there. I’ve heard/seen worse from some men-only broadcast teams. That said, I hope it doesn’t happen again.
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