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Posted on 12/21/23 at 11:12 am to Bryant91092
Posted on 12/21/23 at 11:12 am to Bryant91092
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Grant Nelson shooting 15 3s in a game is moronic. No one but Sears should have a green light to keep shooting no matter how bad their night is going. There’s a reason Nelson was consistently open.
The situation with Nelson feels like a lot of promises were made to get him here, but keeping those promises is fricking over the team. He's not a good shooter, no matter what Oats is trying to hype him up to be. He came here to prove that he could shoot for scouts. He cannot. It's time to have the hard conversation and tell him he needs to cut it out and play to his strengths.
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Posted on 12/21/23 at 11:18 am to BigFolks6347
On the positive side, the defense was better than it’s been against some other good teams. Not great but Ohio State, Clemson et al were often getting exactly the shot they wanted on 10+ straight possessions and just obviously feeling warm, cozy and completely in-rhythm on the offensive end. We made Arizona work a lot harder, take some more difficult shots and attempt harder passes. A lot to improve on obviously but it does seem to be getting better.
On the negative side, we are a great offense UNTIL a talented, physical team kicks it up a notch and gets up in our faces on the perimeter. We then get bogged down and make a lot of poor decisions that lead to easy baskets the other way.
Sears is the best decision maker with the ball but can’t get by guys quickly enough and tends to slow things down way too much trying. Even more significantly, when his main contribution is dribbling on the perimeter it removes him as the best catch and shoot 3pt threat.
Estrada’s better off the dribble against a good defender but makes far too many bad decisions on the drive.
Griffin and Nelson aren’t really creating much off drives/dribbles when guarded closely either.
I was actually happy to see Nelson just shoot it since the entire offensive design is predicated on having 4 guys on the floor that will take every open 3pt shot.
We’re not going to magically add a PG that can beat his man at will so I’m OK with the idea that this team has to beat teams by hitting at least a decent % from the 3 pt line.
But, we definitely need to figure out some offensive movement and interchanges on the perimeter that means Sears, Wrightsell, Griffin etc are getting open looks and not only taking exactly what the defense is giving us.
However, for all those issues, we probably win the game if we just hit 28% (or whatever Nelson’s career % is) of our perimeter shots. We could have easily had 15-20 point cushion before Arizona notched up the defensive pressure around the 12 minute mark of the second half.
On the negative side, we are a great offense UNTIL a talented, physical team kicks it up a notch and gets up in our faces on the perimeter. We then get bogged down and make a lot of poor decisions that lead to easy baskets the other way.
Sears is the best decision maker with the ball but can’t get by guys quickly enough and tends to slow things down way too much trying. Even more significantly, when his main contribution is dribbling on the perimeter it removes him as the best catch and shoot 3pt threat.
Estrada’s better off the dribble against a good defender but makes far too many bad decisions on the drive.
Griffin and Nelson aren’t really creating much off drives/dribbles when guarded closely either.
I was actually happy to see Nelson just shoot it since the entire offensive design is predicated on having 4 guys on the floor that will take every open 3pt shot.
We’re not going to magically add a PG that can beat his man at will so I’m OK with the idea that this team has to beat teams by hitting at least a decent % from the 3 pt line.
But, we definitely need to figure out some offensive movement and interchanges on the perimeter that means Sears, Wrightsell, Griffin etc are getting open looks and not only taking exactly what the defense is giving us.
However, for all those issues, we probably win the game if we just hit 28% (or whatever Nelson’s career % is) of our perimeter shots. We could have easily had 15-20 point cushion before Arizona notched up the defensive pressure around the 12 minute mark of the second half.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 11:26 am to Diego Ricardo
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Yeah, Alabama has 5 good losses but 0 good wins.
We beat Indiana State who is 10 and 1 and ranked 17th in the net, thats a good win.
Tennessee and Tamu are the only two teams in the SEC that have a better win than that one.
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 11:33 am
Posted on 12/21/23 at 11:44 am to CrimsonFever
Arizona shot 27 free throws in the 2nd half and we shot 8. Not saying we didnt foul but they were playing as physical as we were in the 2nd half if not moreso and were allowed to get away with it and we werent.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 11:49 am to CrimsonFever
This will be long:
Watched the game this morning. Not as encouraged as I was after the Purdue and Creighton games. That was sloppy arse basketball in the 2nd half. Bad passes. Lazy passes. Awful inbounds plays.
On the bright side, the defense was better. Especially the first half. Effort and intensity were all you could ask for. Thought Wague was really good in stretches. Problem is keeping him on the floor with all the fouls. Walters also had a good night.
To the bad: Nelson can’t take 15 3’s. He just can’t. It’s a low percentage shot for him and Oats is all about the analytics. He has to rein that in. I actually think the offense ran too much through Nelson, especially when they were making that run.
Overall, it’s disappointing because no one is living up to the expectations we had besides Sears, and he wasn’t very good last night. Nelson and Estrada have been underwhelming. Griffin and Pringle haven’t taken the next step. Griffin may actually have regressed. Stevenson is almost unplayable, but he’s basically a high school senior, and has a bright future. Nelson and Stevenson should both be back next year. Neither are ready for the NBA. Nelson may never be.
But the schedule softens up. We should win the next four and then get into the teeth of SEC play and see what happens. Hopefully our best basketball is ahead of us.
Watched the game this morning. Not as encouraged as I was after the Purdue and Creighton games. That was sloppy arse basketball in the 2nd half. Bad passes. Lazy passes. Awful inbounds plays.
On the bright side, the defense was better. Especially the first half. Effort and intensity were all you could ask for. Thought Wague was really good in stretches. Problem is keeping him on the floor with all the fouls. Walters also had a good night.
To the bad: Nelson can’t take 15 3’s. He just can’t. It’s a low percentage shot for him and Oats is all about the analytics. He has to rein that in. I actually think the offense ran too much through Nelson, especially when they were making that run.
Overall, it’s disappointing because no one is living up to the expectations we had besides Sears, and he wasn’t very good last night. Nelson and Estrada have been underwhelming. Griffin and Pringle haven’t taken the next step. Griffin may actually have regressed. Stevenson is almost unplayable, but he’s basically a high school senior, and has a bright future. Nelson and Stevenson should both be back next year. Neither are ready for the NBA. Nelson may never be.
But the schedule softens up. We should win the next four and then get into the teeth of SEC play and see what happens. Hopefully our best basketball is ahead of us.
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 12/21/23 at 12:21 pm to Allthatfades
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Nelson and Stevenson should both be back next year.
Sherrell, Cunningham, and Reid (expected) will be added next season.
I don’t know if Nelson and Stevenson will stay.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 12:23 pm to antibarner
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I'll ask a question. You're down two and you need a three to win. Are you calling a play for Griffin? That sparkling percentage you know.
Nate’s actually called Griffin’s number out of timeouts several times. We haven’t been in many “down 2” situations, but I’d be fine with Griffin shooting an open corner 3 off penetration or an open kick out top of the key after an O-board for the game. Kid ain’t scared (don’t want him trying to create to win a game, that’s not his game).
Grant on the other hand, I want no part of him shooting an open 3 with the game on the line.
I already gave up trying to argue stats with you. Now you’re trying to use semantics and hypotheticals. No thanks, you just keep hating and believing what you want.
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 12/21/23 at 12:37 pm to BamaBravesPackers
Sears, Stevenson, Walters with Sherril, Cunningham, and Reid…..we are gonna be elite again next season
Posted on 12/21/23 at 12:45 pm to mistaken4193
It takes more than five players to be elite. Guys have to learn to play together.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 12:54 pm to mistaken4193
The positive thing about Stevenson is that he is younger than Sherrell and Cunningham. (In fact, Stevenson was a better player than Sherrell and Cunningham before the reclassification and did well.)
But I don't know if reclassification really helps Stevenson. I think it would have been better to build strength and learn skills in prep school.
While it is true that experiencing and learning about college basketball a year early can help a player develop, he reclassified while not ready to play in college.
But I don't know if reclassification really helps Stevenson. I think it would have been better to build strength and learn skills in prep school.
While it is true that experiencing and learning about college basketball a year early can help a player develop, he reclassified while not ready to play in college.
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 12/21/23 at 1:16 pm to bamagoat
We’re likely still gonna make the tournament this year as a 5 or 6 seed at worst. We didnt dropone spot on KenPom or in the Net after that loss last night.The reports of our demise (which ate mostly coming from our fans) are greatly exaggerated.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 1:35 pm to CrimsonFever
Column: Don't Bury Alabama Basketball Just Yet (SI)
The Crimson Tide lost its third straight game, is it time to panic?
The Crimson Tide lost its third straight game, is it time to panic?
Posted on 12/21/23 at 2:14 pm to mistaken4193
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mistaken4193
Do you want to take the reins on the season thread next year?
Posted on 12/21/23 at 2:15 pm to Robot Santa
Do a little research on rookies 'hitting the Wall" in the NBA and add to that the fact that Oats demands all out intensity in both games and practice. Our new kids just don't have the cardio maturity to sustain that level of exertion yet.
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 12/21/23 at 2:18 pm to Alabama_Fan
Good article
Thats exactly right
Also true.
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Games like this early in the season are no-risk, high reward. You're not overly punished for losing them, and you have everything to gain in what you learn about your team and how they grow in them.
Thats exactly right
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Despite Alabama's poor win-loss record, the analytics service KenPom ranks Alabama inside the top-10. The NCAA Evaluation Tool, or NET, ranks Alabama inside the top-10 as well, factoring in that the Crimson Tide has zero losses outside of Quadrant 1.
Also true.
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 12/21/23 at 2:21 pm to Alum69
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Do a little research on rookies 'hitting the Wall" in the NBA
If you seriously think NBA rookies hit the wall in the 11th game of the season you're too stupid to be left alone around sharp objects.
Even if load management needs to be a thing for college kids in a ~35 game season, which is disputable at best, it's certainly not an issue in mid-December unless your team is woefully out of shape.
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 12/21/23 at 2:24 pm to CrimsonFever
Also supposedly when 2 teams are comparable in the NET the selection committee favors those with the better strength of schedule.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 2:28 pm to Robot Santa
Keep track of 1st vs 2nd half points and shooting % esp 3s for the rest of the season and then argue with me. I do hope I'm wrong about this year, but the trend that has been starting around the first of the year has already started this year. The only thing that is going to fix it is for Oats to recognize what is happening and at least lighten up in practice just before games to let the guys get their leggs back under them. A couple of years ago Calipari mentioned mentioned it a couple of times but I think he decided to keep his mouth shut knowing that he had an advantage.
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 12/21/23 at 2:32 pm to Alum69
As long as this group keeps their confidence no reason to freak out.
Win these next 2 and enter conference play 8-5.
10-8 in SEC play which is very doable will get us a 6-8 seed. And I think we are dangerous if we make the dance because we are getting better on defense even if the numbers don’t show it and we can score.
Win these next 2 and enter conference play 8-5.
10-8 in SEC play which is very doable will get us a 6-8 seed. And I think we are dangerous if we make the dance because we are getting better on defense even if the numbers don’t show it and we can score.
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 12/21/23 at 2:35 pm to Alum69
Trends in February have nothing to do with right now. If we are losing games in December because our players already have dead legs then the S&C coach needs to go. That's absolutely unacceptable.
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