re: Tide Football Thread in honor of TidalSurge

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If you leave college athletics to the free markets, you will not have it in any way you want. But essentially a free market is the only thing it can be under current caselaw. What is required is the regulatory state binding this in a fashion that keeps what we like and compromises to the degree necessary to sate the free market pressures.

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what they need to enshrine is that actual nil should be allowed, but it cant in any way be tied to an organization that is affiliated with any university. universities using booster donations to buy recruits is not NIL, its just cheating, and the only reason they are doing it brazenly is because some crazy judges decided to completely neuter ncaa rule enforcement. the nil deals need to be completely separate from the university. school tied nil collectives need to go away, all nil contracts need to be with legit sports marketing firms or directly with businesses, with demonstrated marketing activity to justify the contracts. They also need to protect these young dummies against doing stuff like signing predatory nil contracts that give away like 75% of their future sports earnings for $300k now. that sort of thing has happened

I just don’t know how that’s doable. You could still filter through NiL. Some booster gives Julio Jones a million dollars to pay a recruit under the guise of advertisement for his car company. Theres no real way to put the cork back in the bottle of this.

I can’t imagine how you’d be able to determine the chain of payments from “supporters” instead of boosters.

And my biggest thing is that then that’s really hypocritical to not care about more meaningful avenues of inclusion beyond a sports team. I’d personally rather all students feel welcome on campus than having a money bleeding archery team or whatever.

I covered that last page. Politicians are aiming to get rid of programs and positions designed to encourage diversity and inclusion. They’re using budget cuts as the reasoning and it’s been big in the news.

I don’t understand why being inclusive of sports that hemorrhage money is suddenly so important for these same politicians. Oh wait…yes I do. It’s because it would be funded by money making sports and it’s someone else’s earnings.

I find it funny these two things are hotbed issues simultaneously at universities without at least someone realizing the hypocrisy of it all.

They really shouldn’t want to be on the wrong side of any of it. Either inclusiveness is important to them or not.

To bang the table to keep athletic programs solvent so athletes can compete in sports that no one watches but not see the importance in DEI(and really the adverse effects and connotation it will have on the schools shutting it down)

…I don’t know. I’m just fed up with politicians as a whole turning the country into jerking everyone around. Seems like it’ll never end.

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just don’t know how that’s doable. You could still filter through NiL. Some booster gives Julio Jones a million dollars to pay a recruit under the guise of advertisement for his car company. Theres no real way to put the cork back in the bottle of this.

I can’t imagine how you’d be able to determine the chain of payments from “supporters” instead of boosters.

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it's really not that complicated. If the NCAA or whatever regulating body comes after them has legal cover to enforce rules on the subject, then just like it's always been it's incumbent on the athlete to follow the rules or risk their eligibility. I think it's funny how suddenly being eligible to play in an association that's voluntary, and that the program you are a part of is voluntarily a member of, is seen as like a constitutional right. Your right to be eligible to play a sport is not absolute, it's limited to your willingness to abide by the rules of that sport. If whomever ends up being the ruling body of the sport can actually enforce a rule without losing a lawsuit, then things proceed much like they did in the past. There is an investigative function to look into infractions. Reviewing nil deals of players would fall into that. If a player doesn't do due diligence on who they are signing an nil deal with they risk their eligibility. The paperwork you sign to play would include language stating that your eligibility to play is tied to follow such and such rules including that nil deals have to follow guidelines, and any and all deals have to be disclosed in full. Would things slip through the cracks? of course, they did before. but when something came to light that was particularly egregious at least something could be done, unlike now when everything is egregious and being done in the open, and it's gonna kill the sport.

Although I must say I can't wait for the dei football scholarships. My kids can't throw or catch a ball very well and or run very fast, but they would sure add some diversity to a team, which is really what's important.

"inclusiveness"-What a crock. DEI is nothing more than legalizing discriminating against white men. I am so pukey sick and tired of "elites" (extreme sarcasm) preaching this crap, acting like the Klan is running around the place/is everywhere and it's still 1940 in the US. That and the idea that all white people, especially white men are the boogey man.

You already see in television, motion pictures, tv commercials, music, pop culture, etc that ALL white men are ALWAYS portrayed as evil, lazy, stupid, ignorant, racist, bigot, homophobes, selfish, not hip and just all around horrible people. It gets a little old.

So much for "inclusivity" and being judged on the content of your character rather than the color of your skin.

I wish a lot of fans could appreciate the culture and background of different people that they enjoy watching football instead of just caring about their ability to play ball. But I guess a lot of people will never give a shite and just want to cheer for the jerseys and not the people. God forbid we foster an environment on inclusion.

It makes me sad and I hope our players and students know it’s not all fans.

I’m reminded now why I rarely post.

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wish a lot of fans could appreciate the culture and background of different people that they enjoy watching football instead of just caring about their ability to play ball. But I guess a lot of people will never give a shite and just want to cheer for the jerseys and not the people. God forbid we foster an environment on inclusion.

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I mean, it is the jersey you cheer for. Take Caleb Downs. Loved that guy in a bama jersey. You think I'm cheering for that motherfricker in an Ohio State jersey? Same guy, only the jersey changed. These people are not in my family, I don't actually give a shite about them personally, past general purpose not wishing harm on other people.

Why do I even need to know or care about someone's culture or background to watch them run around with a ball?

What I do care about is it being at least a marginally fair bout of people I don't know or particularly care about personally running around with a ball, otherwise what's the point of watching it? If one team can just buy way better players than the other because their school has billionaire boosters and the other doesn't, how is that fair to anyone or more importantly how is that fun to watch? The NFL has rules around all this stuff for a reason, cause huge sums of money are available but if there are no controls it gets out of hand and the product becomes unwatchable, killing the golden goose and benefiting nobody

DEI is reverse discrimination.

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DEI is reverse discrimination.

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