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re: The Fan Attendance Issue
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:45 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:45 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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There are enough people who will go to these games out there. Our people have to find the best, easiest and most efficient way to make that transfer. It's not easy, but it's a big deal and they have to figure it out.
If you want to fix the at home attendance problem, the solution is simply better match-ups at better times. No one gives a shite about an 11:00 game in 90 degree heat against some scrub opponent where we are favored by 50+. Hell - I consider myself to be a diehard and I only watched the first quarter to see Tua do his thing and then it was over. I got shite to do on the weekend but I will be more engaged against the Hogs.
There is no problem when Auburn or LSU rolls into a town and I suspect there won't be a problem when we get Texas and Notre Dame on campus. Get better home games scheduled because the rest is just window dressing.
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Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:48 pm to 14&Counting
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the solution is simply better match-ups at better times.
The schedule irritates me, but we're always going to have at least 2 of these games until the entire P5 breaks away. And we gave away control of times when we all went with the ESPN/SECN deal.
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Hell - I consider myself to be a diehard and I only watched the first quarter to see Tua do his thing and then it was over. I got shite to do on the weekend but I will be more engaged against the Hogs.
Yeah, but some people would go. That's kind of my point. Even these crappy game have some demand. The ADs job is to make it easy enough to match people who don't want to go and have tickets to people or groups that do.
It just has to be done. Whether that's an easy donation of tickets option or whatever. And that has to include the student section.
This post was edited on 10/3/18 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:52 pm to 14&Counting
I don't know if the out of staters are the main reason for the lackluster attendance, but I do think it should concern each of us that Auburn now enrolls more Alabamians than UA. Just this Fall, Auburn enrolled about 500 more freshmen from Alabama than UA.
Somehow, in the midst of explosive growth, UA forgot to appeal to in state students to choose it over Auburn. I know they are taking steps (freezing in state tuition and creating new scholarships for in state students) to change this, but they should have acted on this several years ago. I love UA, but our board of trustees seems a little too satisfied at times.
Somehow, in the midst of explosive growth, UA forgot to appeal to in state students to choose it over Auburn. I know they are taking steps (freezing in state tuition and creating new scholarships for in state students) to change this, but they should have acted on this several years ago. I love UA, but our board of trustees seems a little too satisfied at times.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:52 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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The schedule irritates me, but we're always going to have at least 2 of these games until the entire P5 breaks away. And we gave away control of times when we all went with the ESPN/SECN dea
we got Miami and USC OOC neutral site, What if did a home and home with them instead fricking Louisville and Duke.... Miami and USC at home would get butts in the seats.....ULL's and Citadels just won't.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:53 pm to InGAButLoveBama
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I don't know if the out of staters are the main reason for the lackluster attendance, but I do think it should concern each of us that Auburn now enrolls more Alabamians than UA. Just this Fall, Auburn enrolled about 500 more freshmen from Alabama than UA.
Somehow, in the midst of explosive growth, UA forgot to appeal to in state students to choose it over Auburn. I know they are taking steps (freezing in state tuition and creating new scholarships for in state students) to change this, but they should have acted on this several years ago. I love UA, but our board of trustees seems a little too satisfied at times.
I agree. I think the OOS kids thing is reaching a tipping point.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:54 pm to 14&Counting
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we got Miami and USC OOC neutral site, What if did a home and home with them instead fricking Louisville and Duke.... Miami and USC at home would get butts in the seats.....ULL's and Citadels just won't.
Agree, but even if we have Texas and Purdue OOC in the same year we'll always have 1 or 2 games like Chattanooga or ULM. Nobody has a schedule without at least 1 or 2 of those games.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:54 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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The ADs job is to make it easy enough to match people who don't want to go and have tickets to people or groups that do.
But it can't be a "show up by an hour before the game or lose your seat" kind of deal. There is going to have to be enough incentive for the student to give up his tickets days ahead. The tickets don't even have to be sold. Give them to boys and girls clubs, military, first responder groups, high school students or teams, etc.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:56 pm to John Milner
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But it can't be a "show up by an hour before the game or lose your seat" kind of deal. There is going to have to be enough incentive for the student to give up his tickets days ahead. The tickets don't even have to be sold. Give them to boys and girls clubs, military, first responder groups, high school students or teams, etc.
Yep, exactly. This isn't easy but I think there is a clear solution (at least a make lemonade out of lemons thing). They just have to figure out how to do it.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:56 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I agree. I think the OOS kids thing is reaching a tipping point.
Disagree..... we are elevating our game and building a national brand and reputation
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:57 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Agree, but even if we have Texas and Purdue OOC in the same year we'll always have 1 or 2 games like Chattanooga or ULM. Nobody has a schedule without at least 1 or 2 of those games.
That is a P5 wide issue. Saban is ready to step up but the rest of college football won't.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:58 pm to 14&Counting
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Disagree..... we are elevating our game and building a national brand and reputation
I think the general idea is fine - I think having the flagship University of a state made up of 60-65% kids not from that state is a problem.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:58 pm to 14&Counting
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That is a P5 wide issue. Saban is ready to step up but the rest of college football won't.
Totally agree
Posted on 10/3/18 at 9:00 pm to InGAButLoveBama
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I don't know if the out of staters are the main reason for the lackluster attendance,
It's not.
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UA forgot to appeal to in state students to choose it over Auburn
I don't think they did that at all. We've kept our in-state enrollment fairly consistent and increasing the OOS enrollment because they are a cash cow. Auburn just started increasing their enrollment a little bit. If anything, I'd bet our in-state applications have never been higher.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 9:00 pm to 14&Counting
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Disagree..... we are elevating our game and building a national brand and reputation
Yes, the growth in out of state enrollment has overall been great, but politically, this phenomenon of Auburn enrolling more in state students is NOT good long term. What happens if other schools start getting a lot of the out of state students who now come to UA? We would be in a very bad place if we keep letting Auburn get more Alabamians. And I hate to say it, but Auburn is getting the better quality Alabama students based on the numbers of their freshmen coming from Madison County, Shelby, and even Mobile County. Compare the numbers going to Auburn and UA. It is quite shocking. For whatever reason, Auburn has been more popular with in state students for about the last six or so years.
This post was edited on 10/3/18 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 10/3/18 at 9:00 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I think having the flagship University of a state made up of 60-65% kids not from that state is a problem.
How so? I wonder what the make-up of top tier public ivies are?
Posted on 10/3/18 at 9:02 pm to 14&Counting
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How so? I wonder what the make-up of top tier public ivies are?
North Carolina and UVA have very specific in-state quota numbers. Georgia is up to almost 90% in-state. Florida even more than that.
Alabama can't do that and have elite kids because of the makeup of the state, but I think that 50/50 is about the right split. More than that and I think you start losing something.
This post was edited on 10/3/18 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 10/3/18 at 9:03 pm to InGAButLoveBama
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but politically, this phenomenon of Auburn enrolling more in state students is NOT good long term.
You mean, like they have for a good portion of our history?
Posted on 10/3/18 at 9:04 pm to 14&Counting
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How so? I wonder what the make-up of top tier public ivies are?
It wouldn't be such a problem if we were getting more of Alabama's higher quality students. We get a lot of them, especially those at the very top (ACT of 33 or higher), but Auburn gets more of the mid to high quality (ACT of 24 to 29) in state students, the kind who stay in Alabama or move to GA.
This post was edited on 10/3/18 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 10/3/18 at 9:07 pm to pvilleguru
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You mean, like they have for a good portion of our history?
Yes, and that hurt UA. A lot. How do you think Auburn was able to become THE main state engineering program, despite UA being one of the first five schools to start a College of Engineering? UA was floundering till DR. Witt came along. Auburn was definitely considered a better school till recent years.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 9:08 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Alabama can't do that and have elite kids because of the makeup of the state, but I think that 50/50 is about the right split. More than that and I think you start losing something.
Losing what? We are gaining alumni all around the country now. How can that be detrimental?
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