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re: Saban and the players handling this, well, just like you'd expect.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 7:26 am to Teague
Posted on 8/9/18 at 7:26 am to Teague
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I've been fairly middle-of-the-road on this topic, mainly because I just don't really care.
But, just like the fans that overreact and think it was going to cause a huge problem and/or get Jalen booted, the other extremists are taking the bait now and acting like it was a complete non-issue. You can bet (just like every other time Saban speaks) the message he's getting out to the public isn't exactly what he said to the players. If you think he didn't have a serious talk with Hurts about how to handle his shite from now on, you're fooling yourself.
The thing is certain people speculated to an extreme how this would impact the team and how Saban would react. I believe we had a thread title "Is T-town on fire" or something like that
. This may not be be a complete non-issue but in regards to the team it was likely pretty close. I think you are exaggerating claiming people are saying it was nothing. They are saying Saban and the team would handle it in house with minimum issue and the responses to this were extreme.
I said this at the beginning:
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Really not too concerned with this until I hear what Saban says and get some reports about how the team responded. If Saban is ultra combative and it sounds like the team is picking sides then I'll worry.
Neither of those things happened. I have continued to say a couple of conversations between coach, Jalen and the team would resolve this.
Trying to somehow deflect back on the people who took a measured approach to this situation and now are addressing the extremist looks misguided to me. As far as I can tell there is not a single person who thought Jalen commits about coaches should have been public or that this wouldn't need to be addressed. A come to jesus meeting with Jalen was needed in the first place and a team meeting is not a big deal. Team meetings happen about things the team needs to address, we are just not aware of them.
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Posted on 8/9/18 at 7:50 am to CAbamafan
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Saban is going so soft on Jalen it's absurd.
Dude, you don't know he's going on soft on Jalen. I doubt he was happy about what Jalen said to the media, but he's gonna keep it internal. While it wasn't on the same scale, read where he wasn't happy on Tua's quote that he would've transferred if he didn't play in championship game...also read that said that was likely the basis for him telling the QBs not to bring undue attention to themselves...he probably wasn't happy with Najee's comments either. Just because we don't hear much, doesn't mean he's going soft on 'em...if Saban can keep it internal, he will...
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This is getting to the point where I think he might actually insist on Jalen splitting time with Tua at QB just because he doesn't want to upset him
If you think this, you don't know Saban at all. You think he was worried 'bout hurting Jalen's feelings when he benched him in the second half against UGA and replaced him with Tua? Saban lives and breathes football and hates losing; he's not gonna let anyone's feelings get in the way of that. He's gonna play the QB, or QB combo, that he feels gives them the best chance to win...
Posted on 8/9/18 at 8:22 am to OldPete
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He's gonna play the QB, or QB combo, that he feels gives them the best chance to win...
I'm not sure how he could honestly have thought Jalen Hurts gave us the best chance to win by the Auburn game last year, even when the offensive coordinator he hired to run the offense wanted to play Tua.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 8:33 am to John Milner
The only issue I ever had with the. I versatile with the media was calling out the coaches about their boldness. Well that’s a two way street Jalen. Where was your boldness to go to the coaches and ask what’s going on. Only two reasons why he wouldn’t is one he knows what’s up. He has to compete for the job, no he is not the starting QB and neither is Tua. Compete like you do every year or two he was afraid of what Saban might say such as Tua has the edge right now. I’m just saying before you call someone else out check your motives and what could you have done to improve the situation.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 8:58 am to John Milner
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I'm not sure how he could honestly have thought Jalen Hurts gave us the best chance to win by the Auburn game last year, even when the offensive coordinator he hired to run the offense wanted to play Tua.
Up until the Auburn game, there was no urgent need to replace Hurts...after that game, it became much more apparent...
And while I've heard stuff 'bout Daboll wanting to play Tua earlier, what I haven't heard is how much earlier? This is really an area I'd like to know more details...but all I've read was an article or two with a reporter mentioning he'd heard rumblings Daboll wanted to play Tua earlier but I've seen nothing more specific than that. Also not sure exactly when Tua started really moving the needle in practice...know it happened at least during the weeks leading up to the CFP but did it happen before then? And, if so, when?
Posted on 8/9/18 at 8:59 am to John Milner
It seems like the single thing Saban values most in his QBs is ball security. He seems to loathe turning the ball over to the point of being risk adverse. Tua is a better option than Jalen, but he gives you heart attacks when it comes to dangerous passes and ball security. This is not arguing that Saban should have played Jalen, just pointing out how I think Saban generally views things.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 9:01 am
Posted on 8/9/18 at 8:59 am to Carlton
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I think you are exaggerating claiming people are saying it was nothing. They are saying Saban and the team would handle it in house with minimum issue and the responses to this were extreme.
I said:
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But, just like the fans that overreact and think it was going to cause a huge problem and/or get Jalen booted, the other extremists are taking the bait now and acting like it was a complete non-issue.
I was speaking of a very specific sect which I named and described. So, if a person isn't doing what I described, then they aren't the people I was describing.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 9:02 am to Teague
I don't see those, this was not an issue at all, extremist anywhere. That was my point. However if you called out specific posters and I missed it, I apologize. I'll go back and look at thier post. However, I have not seen a poster who has seen this article and is now acting like this was a complete non issue.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 9:29 am
Posted on 8/9/18 at 9:23 am to OldPete
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nd while I've heard stuff 'bout Daboll wanting to play Tua earlier, what I haven't heard is how much earlier
there was some frustration on Daboll’s part on personnel matters, multiple sources told The Tuscaloosa News. These weren’t all that contentious, but they were frustrating for an offensive coordinator being asked to put his best offense on the field. Daboll wanted to play freshman quarterback Tua Tagovailoa sooner than he has given the green light to do so. That doesn’t mean that Daboll didn’t like or want to play Jalen Hurts too. That’s not accurate at all. It’s just that Daboll saw what Tagovailoa was doing in practice against the best defense in the country and wanted to give him a chance once the offense started slumping in November.
Tide Sports
Former Alabama offensive coordinator Brian Daboll wanted to play five-star freshman quarterback Tua Tagovailoa earlier this season but didn't have the ultimate say, leading to frustration concerning personnel, according to TideSports.com.
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Former Alabama offensive coordinator Brian Daboll wanted to see Tua Tagovailoa on the field much earlier in the season than the National Championship game, according to a report...The fight to play Tagovailoa or incumbent starter Jalen Hurts was a battle that started in November.
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Posted on 8/9/18 at 9:44 am to East Coast Band
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It's not over. In fact, it will be ramped up once games begin, IMO.
Agreed. Especially if Saban tries to utilize both QBs. What a nightmare that would be.
Also, bet that Jalen will have a sideline camera watching him all game every game. If he appears to have a bad attitude, everyone will see it.
Plus, I don't think he even wants to be here. When you publicly call out the coaching staff, that's a pretty clear indication, and I'd also bet that unfortunately other players "have his back" and agree with him.
Hopefully this "non-issue" doesn't rear its ugly head down the road, and that includes Saban putting Jalen on the field in order to appease him.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:16 am to CAbamafan
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Agreed. Especially if Saban tries to utilize both QBs. What a nightmare that would be.
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Hopefully this "non-issue" doesn't rear its ugly head down the road, and that includes Saban putting Jalen on the field in order to appease him.
So he can keep his eligibility, it is in his best interest to play no more than 4 games unless he becomes the starter. You will see him those 4 games however at some point during the season.
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Also, bet that Jalen will have a sideline camera watching him all game every game. If he appears to have a bad attitude, everyone will see it.
Plus, I don't think he even wants to be here. When you publicly call out the coaching staff, that's a pretty clear indication, and I'd also bet that unfortunately other players "have his back" and agree with him.
I just don't understand this perspective. You seem to have no faith that the coaching staff and Saban can handle this or even with 2 years of standup behavior Jalen can redeem himself.
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Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:22 am to Carlton
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So he can keep his eligibility, it is in his best interest to play no more than 4 games unless he becomes the starter. You will see him those 4 games however at some point during the season.
Yeah. Though I am concerned, and kind of think that Saban will split the series between them the first game or two, the best option would seem to be to save Jalen's 4 games for the end of the year, in case Tua is injured.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:22 am to CAbamafan
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Especially if Saban tries to utilize both QBs. What a nightmare that would be.
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Hopefully this "non-issue" doesn't rear its ugly head down the road, and that includes Saban putting Jalen on the field in order to appease him.
I think your dislike of Jalen Hurts, whatever its basis, has made you incapable of being even remotely objective about this.
I will guarantee you two things, and I will take any bet you care to make about these:
1) Both Jalen Hurts and Tua Tagovailoa will play in the season opener against Louisville. Frankly, it wouldn't even surprise me if Jalen starts the game, but I'm not saying that will happen. I AM saying both will play.
2) Nick Saban is focused on winning football games using his style and process. Period. Player feelings don't enter into that equation, and he's not interested in "appeasing" any one player, especially not to the detriment of the team.
Saban plays those players he trusts to implement his style and follow his process. I don't pretend to know exactly what his process entails, but I'm familiar with the style:
a) Protect the football.
b) Play great defense.
c) Be balanced on offense.
d) Make explosive plays when possible.
I agree with you that Tua is the better option at quarterback. Other than that, though, I honestly don't remember any other aspect of this entire QB situation, dating back to last fall, in which you've been correct.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:29 am to Sauron
As a former member of the REC, I can assure you that the starter will be a direct result of the scrimmage performance. I was there for 2 QB competitions. The first was Jake Coker and Blake Sims. They gave Coker every opportunity to win the job during those scrimmages, but he could not execute. His final stats were abysmal. Something like 4/28. It was hard to watch. However, the first play he did hit Kenyan Drake on a wheel route for about 65 yards Blake sims moved the team during both of them. Second competition was Barnett vs Jalen. Barnett threw 4 int in the final scrimmage. Jalen was conservative but moved the team via his legs therefore winning the job.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:40 am to John Milner
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wanted to give him a chance once the offense started slumping in November...Brian Daboll wanted to play five-star freshman quarterback Tua Tagovailoa earlier this season...fight to play Tagovailoa or incumbent starter Jalen Hurts was a battle that started in November...
Thanks for the links...so I'm guessing Daboll wanted more time for Tua after the LSU game? The offense struggled in the first game that month against LSU and struggled even more in the last one (Auburn), but they had a good game against Mississippi State (probably Hurts' best game of the season)...won't talk Mercer as that was basically a bye week...
I could see maybe Daboll wanting Tua to play after LSU but, after the Miss State game, I could see why Saban maybe wanted to hold off. I really thought Hurts had turned the corner after the MSU game; he was cool under pressure as the MSU DL was living in our backfield on passing downs, he was making some good throws, albeit most were to Ridley, and he even appeared to be going through some progressions...not to mention that in the 4th quarter, he led three long drives resulting in the tying TD, a missed FG, and the winning TD. But alas, I was wrong as the Auburn game pretty much proved the fallacy of that thought...
Hindsight is 100% but, as things played out, I can see why it took Saban until after the Auburn game to be willing to make the switch...
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:59 am to OldPete
Hurts really didn’t play all that bad versus LSU. At least he played better then his numbers indicated because there were like 3 dropped passes by receivers. He even took some chances like throwing a pass on the run to Cam Sims on 3rd down while Sims was double covered.
But also like you after his good performance against MSU I thought he had turned the corner.
But also like you after his good performance against MSU I thought he had turned the corner.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:10 am to Gary Busey
Players only meeting after one practice.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:25 am to 1BamaRTR
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Hurts really didn’t play all that bad versus LSU.
I agree...he made some good throws in very tight windows that game that I hadn't seen before...but the offense overall was not very good that game...and this is the only other game in November, other than Auburn, that lines up with the reports stating that Daboll wanted to play Tua more when the offense stalled in November...
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:50 am to OldPete
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I agree...he made some good throws in very tight windows that game that I hadn't seen before...but the offense overall was not very good that game...and this is the only other game in November, other than Auburn, that lines up with the reports stating that Daboll wanted to play Tua more when the offense stalled in November...
In spite of reports on some of these boards that Tua turned it over a lot in practice, Travis Reier reported that Tua was lighting up the best defense in college football in practices. One of the articles I linked above also noted that Tua was playing very well against that awesome defense.
I assume Brian Daboll was at every practice, and then later broke down the film of those practices and was in much better position to grade the quarterbacks than any of us on these message boards.
Moreover, he had access to the film of the 2016 games. If it's obvious even to a guy like me that Hurts struggles vs good defenses every time out, and it is and has been, then it was at least as obvious to the offensive coordinator hired to make that offense better. I've seen a lot times that Daboll didn't adapt an offense to Jalen's strengths, but that wasn't his job. His job was to produce the best offense that he could and at least by November, he thought that would best be served by playing Tua Tagovailoa.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:44 pm to John Milner
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In spite of reports on some of these boards that Tua turned it over a lot in practice
It wasn't just on these boards...at least one reporter with access to practice mentioned that one of the things that kept Tua from playing earlier was "sloppy practices" (whatever that means)...
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Travis Reier reported that Tua was lighting up the best defense in college football in practices. One of the articles I linked above also noted that Tua was playing very well against that awesome defense.
I don't doubt that at all...my question is when did he start "lighting 'em up?" Reier made that statement late last month...but he didn't mention when. All of those reports you linked had good info, but they were dated in January 2018 and likewise, aren't specific timewise other than mentioning the offense stalling in November. The offense struggled the first and last games of that month but performed well in between (although the Mercer game didn't mean much)...
All the outlets were reporting in December that Tua was killing it in the practices leading up to the CFP. I'm old, so maybe I'm wrong or misremembering but, prior to December, I don't recall seeing any reports of Tua consistently killing it in practice...I would just think that we would've heard more along those lines before then if that were the case all along.
I'm not saying this to defend Hurts as the starter; after the Auburn game, even I could see the light. I mentioned to my son at halftime that I thought we should put Tua in for the second half, but I didn't think it would happen. Not knowing the specifics, I'm just saying I can understand why Saban waited till after the Auburn game to consider a switch...
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