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Posted on 3/26/19 at 8:00 am to Teague
Posted on 3/26/19 at 8:00 am to Teague
Forbes has to be the fall-back safe option if Byrne strikes out on a big name hire. It would be almost a lock that Forbes would come if we offer him the job. He's a winner.
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 8:08 am to Robot Santa
Yea - I think you make a run at a guy like Matta who, if healthy, has an elite level resume and is highly thought of.
If you get past that point, I would hope we decide to take potential > "has coached in the P5 and won a few games" (Prohm, Cronin, etc). I think Fores is one of those guys.
So, my tiers would be
Tier 1 - Proven big time coaches who are currently out of coaching the NCAA for whatever reason and make them possible
- Matta
- Pitino (may quickly be marked off but he's in this general group)
- Donovan (again, not even close probably, but in the general group)
- Sampson
Tier 2 - Guys who seem like great fits with big potential
- Forbes (ETSU)
- Oats (Buffalo)
- C. Smith (Utah St)
- Richey (Furman)
And Tier 3 would be Prohm/Cronin/etc
Now, Tier 2 is definitely riskier. You are trusting Byrne to be able to decipher which of these guys have the goods to win in the SEC and which ones don't. Tier 3 has guys who are much more likely to be consistently solid. But, for us, I think you gotta trust Byrne and take tat risk.
I just don't think Beard seems like a possibility at this point, but he'd certainly be in that Tier 1 group too if he was.
JMHO
If you get past that point, I would hope we decide to take potential > "has coached in the P5 and won a few games" (Prohm, Cronin, etc). I think Fores is one of those guys.
So, my tiers would be
Tier 1 - Proven big time coaches who are currently out of coaching the NCAA for whatever reason and make them possible
- Matta
- Pitino (may quickly be marked off but he's in this general group)
- Donovan (again, not even close probably, but in the general group)
- Sampson
Tier 2 - Guys who seem like great fits with big potential
- Forbes (ETSU)
- Oats (Buffalo)
- C. Smith (Utah St)
- Richey (Furman)
And Tier 3 would be Prohm/Cronin/etc
Now, Tier 2 is definitely riskier. You are trusting Byrne to be able to decipher which of these guys have the goods to win in the SEC and which ones don't. Tier 3 has guys who are much more likely to be consistently solid. But, for us, I think you gotta trust Byrne and take tat risk.
I just don't think Beard seems like a possibility at this point, but he'd certainly be in that Tier 1 group too if he was.
JMHO
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 8:09 am
Posted on 3/26/19 at 8:08 am to TiderNAL
I think Forbes would be what we had hoped Avery was going to be. He'd sell the program, he's popular with the media, his teams play a fun style of ball, and he wins.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 8:11 am to GenesChin
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Giddens has been in CBB for 4 years, including 1 under Thad Matta, and still doesn't know how to properly set a screen
I'm not sure 1 year is enough time for even Greg Popovich to develop him into a respectable player
Posted on 3/26/19 at 8:14 am to coachcrisp
I'll tell you another guy that is going to be on the radar soon - Dustin Kerns from Presbyterian. He's from my hometown, plays a run/gun 3/D style and took over one of if not the worst program in D1 and had them at 20-15 this year and #172 in KenPom (they were #350 and went 5-25 (1-17) the year before he arrived in 2017).
He's not proven enough for our job, but I'd be shocked if he isn't a candidate to replace Forbes at ETSU if Forbes does leave.
He's not proven enough for our job, but I'd be shocked if he isn't a candidate to replace Forbes at ETSU if Forbes does leave.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 8:18 am to SummerOfGeorge
What have I missed this morning?
Posted on 3/26/19 at 8:23 am to biggsc
I would tell you but Byrne told me I'd be fired if I leaked anything.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 8:38 am to GenesChin
overrated probably applies. His biggest problem is not knowing how to use his body and strength doing anything. posting up, defense, you name it.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 8:41 am to biggsc
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What have I missed this morning?
Zero
Posted on 3/26/19 at 8:52 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Tier 2 - Guys who seem like great fits with big potential
- Forbes (ETSU)
- Oats (Buffalo)
- C. Smith (Utah St)
- Richey (Furman)
Throw John Brannen in there
Posted on 3/26/19 at 8:57 am to rockiee
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Throw John Brannen in there
Probably true - I'm just having trouble getting past the dumpster fire PR standpoint of bringing back Anthony Grant's right hand man. That'd be one helluva sell.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:10 am to SummerOfGeorge
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So, my tiers would be
Tier 1 - Proven big time coaches who are currently out of coaching the NCAA for whatever reason and make them possible
- Matta
- Pitino (may quickly be marked off but he's in this general group)
- Donovan (again, not even close probably, but in the general group)
- Sampson
Tier 2 - Guys who seem like great fits with big potential
- Forbes (ETSU)
- Oats (Buffalo)
- C. Smith (Utah St)
- Richey (Furman)
And Tier 3 would be Prohm/Cronin/etc
Now, Tier 2 is definitely riskier. You are trusting Byrne to be able to decipher which of these guys have the goods to win in the SEC and which ones don't. Tier 3 has guys who are much more likely to be consistently solid. But, for us, I think you gotta trust Byrne and take tat risk.
I just don't think Beard seems like a possibility at this point, but he'd certainly be in that Tier 1 group too if he was.
JMHO
100% on the same wavelength here. If we can’t get a proven winner / homerun hire, go with an up and comer who’s either turned around a program or taken it to a much higher level than it was previously. Alabama fans may not like that option, but I’ll take a coach that comes with a lot of risk over a coach that we know is capable of doing a solid job at a bigger school.
Would definitely throw Hoiberg’s name in the homerun hires since it looks like Nebraska is dragging their feet firing Miles. Still a longshot, but no more of a longshot than Donovan.
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 9:14 am
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:10 am to SummerOfGeorge
Proves Grant was in the wrong seat at Bama...like Mike Dubose moving from DC to HC...
Grant almost killed Bama BB.
Grant almost killed Bama BB.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:13 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
Did anybody realize that yesterday was Avery’s birthday?
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:14 am to BigBird09
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I’ll take a coach that comes with a lot of risk over a coach that we know is capable of doing a solid job at a bigger school.
YES.
I'm not content with "pretty good." Give me a coach that MIGHT be great, over one that we know is going to just be "good." To me, the risk is worth it because I'm not satisfied with good.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:29 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Proves Grant was in the wrong seat at Bama...like Mike Dubose moving from DC to HC...
Grant almost killed Bama BB.
Yea, but it's big time Monday Morning QB'ing to act like Grant was considered anything but a sure thing to be a good college coach.
Great pedigree, loved by Donovan, won at VCU, etc. Now, in hindsight, we can see that he was just a guy at a place that seems to win with whoever is in charge, but at the time he was UNIVERSALLY lauded as a great hire.
That's why those Tier 2 names I put up there are risks. You don't know for sure what those guys will do in big time, elite level college basketball until they do it.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:29 am to Chadaristic
Well he got a new buyout payment package for it
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:29 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Probably true - I'm just having trouble getting past the dumpster fire PR standpoint of bringing back Anthony Grant's right hand man. That'd be one helluva sell.
Take this from a Arkansas fan, nothing ever goes wrong with hiring former assistants
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:30 am to rockiee
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Take this from a Arkansas fan, nothing ever goes wrong with hiring former assistants
LOL at least you hired a former assistant of a national title winning legend. We'd be hiring the assistant of a guy who went to 1 NCAAT in 6 seasons
It'd be like insisting that we only hire coaches from the Mike Shula coaching tree in football
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 9:31 am
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:35 am to SummerOfGeorge
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LOL at least you hired a former assistant of a national title winning legend. We'd be hiring the assistant of a guy who went to 1 NCAAT in 6 seasons
Yes, it sounded awesome when it happened but not sure the end results would be any different. I feel confident in saying John would get you guys to the NCAA tournament 3 times in 8 years. Maybe you get even lucky and make it past the 2nd round as well, once in those 8 years.
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