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re: PSA regarding this months-long Golding debacle
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:38 pm to prevatt33b
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:38 pm to prevatt33b
You may have but considering the history of misrepresentation of board opinion by people defending Golding I find it hard to believe.
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Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:42 pm to prevatt33b
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I'm saying I do it on purpose to counter terrible narratives, yes. And no I'm not playing games, although psychology is always at play regarding what humans read and the resulting formation of narratives. That can't be removed from the situation.
Not sure you want to hear this, but you and Bernie are probably not going to be enough to save all the lost souls over here who genuinely see our defense on the decline. Now, Charlie Strong? Maybe.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:45 pm to Bear88
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the majority of the board ( some who even criticized him at times) just want to see improvement and are not calling for anybody’s head
Hey, Bear! I hope your flight was good. I'm looking forward to your thoughts on the 3-3 stack.
Regarding the above quoted portion, I remember a period of a few months where the level-headed people you mentioned above were the minority and were largely staying silent, and were being actively drowned out by a large and vocal majority strongly hating on Golding. It started in the game threads and spilled over into the main board. And to be clear, many of those posters are not present now in the offseason but had a strong negative impact on how Golding is viewed on this board, and they also had a strong negative impact on how willing the board is now to accept personally insulting players and coaches.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:47 pm to bamameister
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who genuinely see our defense on the decline.
Our defense has certainly taken a step back. No doubt about it. And it's because of the jimmies and joes on the field and almost nothing else. Pruitt would've struggled just the same with that lot in 2019 had he been coaching.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:51 pm to Carlton
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considering the history of misrepresentation of board opinion by people defending Golding
In the previous post by bamameister, my opinion on the defense was completely misrepresented as he insinuated that I don't believe the defense had declined. I never said that. I always simply disagreed on the why.
There are a few posters who've fallen in love with complaining about their opinions being misrepresented when in reality, it happens to everyone around here. Probably 50% of this board's traffic is based on misunderstanding another man's words, so why are a few acting like martyrs about it?
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Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:54 pm to prevatt33b
I'm guilty myself of bashing golding into oblivion but with the recent developments of the strength staff, I'm leaning more towards the problem may have been deeper than golding.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:55 pm to prevatt33b
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Our defense has certainly taken a step back. No doubt about it. And it's because of the jimmies and joes on the field and almost nothing else. Pruitt would've struggled just the same with that lot in 2019 had he been coaching.
Yep, that's what you've said on multiple occasions to anyone who cared. Doesn't explain Golding's body of work. Poor alignments from upperclassmen, poor tackling, by upperclassmen, and now we have players sounding down what we've "eye-witnessed" for ourselves these last 2 years. Communications is the most basic, fundamental part of any football scheme. It's as important in football as in family life. "If a trumpet blows an indistinctive call, who will get ready for battle."
Yep, we still have "fundamental" issues that start with poor communications even though we've been in the Golding "error" for most of 2 seasons.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:57 pm to Carlton
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I can't change your perception of reality. I think most would tell you I am one of the most even and diplomatic people on this board. Most of my views are different than a large portion of this board and yet I find room to have productive conversations. With this debate the misrepresentation of board opinion is pretty clear. One that immediately comes to mind is the Golding is lazy and goofy. One poster said it and then it was assigned as the majority feeling of the board which wasn't true. Again the vast majority of the board does not have extreme feelings about Golding and I never remember the board being oversaturated with extreme Golding views. I think this is hyperbolic.
It wasn't just some random person who said it. It was said by Boz and many people around here take what he says as gospel truth.
It fueled a lot of Golding hate, along with his other claims.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:58 pm to bamameister
LINK
Edit:well I suck at posting images and gifs so here's the link
Edit:well I suck at posting images and gifs so here's the link
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:59 pm to bamameister
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Yep, that's what you've said on multiple occasions to anyone who cared. Doesn't explain Golding's body of work. Poor alignments from upperclassmen, poor tackling, by upperclassmen, and now we have players sounding down what we've "eye-witnessed" for ourselves these last 2 years. Communications is the most basic, fundamental part of any football scheme. It's as important in football as in family life. "If a trumpet blows an indistinctive call, who will get ready for battle."
Yep, we still have "fundamental" issues that start with poor communications even though we've been in the Golding "error" for most of 2 seasons.
No players sounded off about Golding. Terrell Lewis himself said the article that was posted was clickbait.
It's funny how some people refuse to acknowledge these things because it doesn't fit their narrative. Probably be 5 years from now and still someone will talk about how Terrell Lewis said something he didn't really say.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:59 pm to Brostache48
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I'm guilty myself of bashing golding into oblivion but with the recent developments of the strength staff, I'm leaning more towards the problem may have been deeper than golding.
I don't disagree with you, friend, and what you said is an assessment of the evidence and the beginning of a thoughtful debate on the issues. And if disagreements in that context happen, fine. Agree to disagree. But the conversation framework is much more healthy for the board than "Golding is an idiot." And that's the point.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:01 pm to prevatt33b
Because some do it more frequently and seemingly intentional to prove a point like for example the board thinks Golding is lazy and goofy. Most don't take offense when it happens on occasion.
What period of time is this. I want to take a run back at our previous threads to see what you are talking about. I've been back to the LSU game and while there is an increase in threads I haven't seen a period time where no one has made reasonable rebuttals to the defenses short comings?
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I very clearly remember that very thing. There was a 1 to 2 week period before anyone started to counter the "Golding is a complete idiot" narrative. I remember it clearly and took note at the time.
What period of time is this. I want to take a run back at our previous threads to see what you are talking about. I've been back to the LSU game and while there is an increase in threads I haven't seen a period time where no one has made reasonable rebuttals to the defenses short comings?
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:14 pm to Carlton
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What period of time is this.
Oh, man. Not sure. I want to say it was near the end of the season, but I can't remember specifically when it was. I do remember taking specific note of it though, as it motivated me to go at them hard at the time.
I'm also speaking more about when it spilled over into the main board, as I wasn't a mainstay in the game threads much. I only popped in occasionally to check out what was being said. I find that active participation in the game threads decreases my enjoyment of the games, as even I get infected and affected by the negativity at every bad thing that happens in the game.
It may have simply been what happened after the LSU loss, as so many Bama fans did not handle it well and demanded a non-player scapegoat. And the good posters kinda stayed away for a while. Maybe, not sure. But that seems right. And then with the auburn loss, it started all over again, as that's when the Golding defenders kept pointing to the 2 pick 6s, but as this was a re-emergence of the Golding Hate, that logic didn't help. It was confirmation in their eyes and they were empowered.
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:15 pm to 3down10
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No players sounded off about Golding. Terrell Lewis himself said the article that was posted was clickbait.
It's funny how some people refuse to acknowledge these things because it doesn't fit their narrative. Probably be 5 years from now and still someone will talk about how Terrell Lewis said something he didn't really say.
The quotes associated with Lewis are very specific in nature. And this "communication issue" started the moment Pruitt left the Capstone. I've personally read about communication" issues since the '18' Lousiville game. To watch our guys trying to get aligned before the snap it is more than fair for some of these guys to come out and say it. And yes, I'm sure Terrell got a lot of feedback from coach Saban and staff.
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“I just feel like sometimes, especially the LSU game, a lot of times they caught us in a situation where there was a lack of communication and they ended up winning that play and scoring," Lewis explained. “As a defense, I feel like it was basically too many mental errors as a defense. Same for Auburn. I feel like we had a lot of plays when it didn’t go our way and they caught us when we were at our worst.”
Asked to clarify whether he meant player-to-player communication or coach-to-player to communication, Lewis did not shy away from implicating those making the calls from the sideline.
“Communication from the top down, as far as even play-calling and as far as just on the field, guys relaying the calls and relaying the signals, stuff like that,” he said.
Golding was trying to apologize for something after the season. Not that hard to connect the dots.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:17 pm to bamameister
Everyone agrees Golding has room for improvement. Everyone.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:18 pm to Carlton
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What period of time is this. I want to take a run back at our previous threads to see what you are talking about. I've been back to the LSU game and while there is an increase in threads I haven't seen a period time where no one has made reasonable rebuttals to the defenses short comings?
Not sure what link you are looking for exactly, but this was the thread that got me banned and also when Golding was called goofy and lazy:
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Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:19 pm to bamameister
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The quotes associated with Lewis are very specific in nature. And this "communication issue" started the moment Pruitt left the Capstone. I've personally read about communication" issues since the '18' Lousiville game. To watch our guys trying to get aligned before the snap it is more than fair for some of these guys to come out and say it. And yes, I'm sure Terrell got a lot of feedback from coach Saban and staff.
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“I just feel like sometimes, especially the LSU game, a lot of times they caught us in a situation where there was a lack of communication and they ended up winning that play and scoring," Lewis explained. “As a defense, I feel like it was basically too many mental errors as a defense. Same for Auburn. I feel like we had a lot of plays when it didn’t go our way and they caught us when we were at our worst.”
Asked to clarify whether he meant player-to-player communication or coach-to-player to communication, Lewis did not shy away from implicating those making the calls from the sideline.
“Communication from the top down, as far as even play-calling and as far as just on the field, guys relaying the calls and relaying the signals, stuff like that,” he said.
Golding was trying to apologize for something after the season. Not that hard to connect the dots.
Take it up with Terrell Lewis who called the article clickbait.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:20 pm to prevatt33b
These things are true, but you are going to need to get a little thicker skin. I understand defending innocent people, and I have done it myself, but you simply have to learn to do so in a better way. You come off terribly on many occasions. But hey, I like you being around. People used to hate me because of my user name alone. I know, stupid, right. Anyway, now they hate you worse than me. 
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:22 pm to prevatt33b
Again, I think this is your tendency to exaggerate. From what I can see there is a period time where emotions are high after LSU and Auburn, but I don't see anything more than past loses. I was only able to find maybe 2 or 3 threads where no one spoke to the other problems the defense were dealing with.
Also who were the good posters that stayed away?
Also who were the good posters that stayed away?
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:24 pm to LovetheLord
Lordy, I'm an a-hole sometimes. It's how I choose to post on occasion. Period. I do it because I want to. Any resultant hate is fine with me, as I meant to insult the person's opinion. The insult was the purpose.
And according to the rules, it's personal insults that are forbidden. Insulting the opinion is not against the rules. And I really enjoy insulting terrible opinions. It's literally fun.
And according to the rules, it's personal insults that are forbidden. Insulting the opinion is not against the rules. And I really enjoy insulting terrible opinions. It's literally fun.
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