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re: Paging Cover1Key: thoughts on UGA?
Posted on 10/5/26 at 4:28 pm to YStar
Posted on 10/5/26 at 4:28 pm to YStar
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What are these good principles? This kid has already shown that if you give him time you're already scored on.
I am not a DL coach. But essentially, you don’t over rush and create space that Russell can step up and through. The technical parts of keeping that collaborative effort as a unit is beyond my expertise. I basically never put my hand in the dirt in my life.
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Dakota Prescott is more Milroe than anything close to Keelon
The comp is not about the quality of player, it is about the strategy. Do you think you’re winning by pinning your ears back when you don’t have great individual rushers? Do you think you’re winning by bringing 6? No, you will get cooked by his arms and legs. You’ve got to take away something and the most sensible thing is 4 or 5 man pressures, keep in the pocket, mixing man and zone, and change the picture on him from pre snap to post snap.
Maybe Keelon throws for 350 and 5 TDs but I think it is more apt to be successful than heating him up and he leaks out the backside or flicks it out quick to a hot route.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 4:29 pm to YStar
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This kid give us that ability where whatever you key in on he can just adapt to the next thing
That's the headache of game planning for an elite QB. There's not a tactical defense for it- the defense for it is really the same as it ever was. Pressure up the middle with 4.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 4:34 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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That's the headache of game planning for an elite QB. There's not a tactical defense for it- the defense for it is really the same as it ever was. Pressure up the middle with 4.
This is why interior linemen who can affect the passer are becoming as valuable if not more than edge rushers in the NFL.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 4:39 pm to Diego Ricardo
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am not a DL coach. But essentially, you don’t over rush and create space that Russell can step up and through. The technical parts of keeping that collaborative effort as a unit is beyond my expertise. I basically never put my hand in the dirt in my life.
Fair, but that is a basic concept and not a specific tactic. Even in a stunt, blitz, etc it's about doing your role and not going into business for yourself.
What you were initially describing is a specific tactic to press the pocket by pressing the OL backward without giving a lane. It's loke a mush rush. Keelon would kill that.
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You’ve got to take away something and the most sensible thing is 4 or 5 man pressures, keep in the pocket, mixing man and zone, and change the picture on him from pre snap to post snap.
Again this is a basic and generic statement but you're attempting to talk detailed tactic. Every team mixes man and zobe, every team makes changes pre-snap, every team brings 4 or 5 man pressures..
Posted on 10/5/26 at 4:41 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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That's the headache of game planning for an elite QB. There's not a tactical defense for it- the defense for it is really the same as it ever was. Pressure up the middle with 4.
That's why I'm so confident. That and the teams physicality. We literally punish teams physically and to match that you have to go to the deep end. What makes us so crazy is we can win that way or with finesse and if you watch closely we switch between both quickly and efficiently through playcalling which is why I have been defending Grubb for a couple weeks now. The guy is on a heater with these calls.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 4:43 pm to Diego Ricardo
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This is why interior linemen who can affect the passer are becoming as valuable if not more than edge rushers in the NFL.
This is a key point. Kirby really needs interior linemen to win one on one to disrupt. If he's relying simply on DEs then it's easy for Keelon to step up, step outside and throw... it's what he showed against State.
It's scary because it's like every week he learns something new and just executes then replicates at a high level. Last week it was his pocket movement to combat those DEs and then the back shoulder deep passes
Posted on 10/5/26 at 4:49 pm to Diego Ricardo
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I am not a DL coach. But essentially, you don’t over rush and create space that Russell can step up and through. The technical parts of keeping that collaborative effort as a unit is beyond my expertise. I basically never put my hand in the dirt in my life.
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Dakota Prescott is more Milroe than anything close to Keelon
The comp is not about the quality of player, it is about the strategy. Do you think you’re winning by pinning your ears back when you don’t have great individual rushers? Do you think you’re winning by bringing 6? No, you will get cooked by his arms and legs. You’ve got to take away something and the most sensible thing is 4 or 5 man pressures, keep in the pocket, mixing man and zone, and change the picture on him from pre snap to post snap.
Maybe Keelon throws for 350 and 5 TDs but I think it is more apt to be successful than heating him up and he leaks out the backside or flicks it out quick to a hot route.
I think you have the UGA format down.
Send 4 and 5. But it won't be the same 4 and 5. Dropping 6 and 7 defenders and firing hyperathletic linebackers. Firing slot defenders and boundary corners.
Changing the secondary looks. Man on one side with zone on the other. Changing presnap reads. Maybe an inexperienced QB throws before knowing who is where defensively. Or better yet, he turns down a good look because he is unsure or sped up with his internal clock.
The key question is if Bama can establish a ground game. UGA typically tries to tie one hand behind your back. The irony is that UGA tries schematically to take away the run game with light boxes. And even a great day throwing may not be enough if it is all you have (win some/lose some approach, but limit scores in the red zone).
Posted on 10/5/26 at 4:56 pm to meansonny
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UGA tries schematically to take away the run game with light boxes
That will work against spread teams. They'll have super fast LBs who can run and chase the ball carrier. But we are running power and counter. If they bring a light box we will smash them.
Maybe their plan will be to make us grind it out and earn it. But I dont really see that being much of an issue. If they let us run a bunch of plays, they will be digging their dick out of the dirt all day.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 5:09 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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If they bring a light box we will smash them.
You might.
UGA DL plays smart. They understand what an offense is doing. Ends do a great job crashing down on counter to tighten the holes.
We often get penetration to disrupt the pullers path.
Vandy had 1st half success loading up the line with tight ends and hitting us with pin and pull with a fullback lead.
But we adjust and shut them down as the game wore on.
I am not claiming that UGAs light box shuts out an offense. But it often finds a way to frustrate things as I am sure you are familiar with Kirby over the years.
It will be a fun game. Lots of chess not checkers.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 5:29 pm to meansonny
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Ends do a great job crashing down on counter to tighten the holes
Our defense has been hunting DEs this year. They are looking to smash those guys. TEs chipping into the ribs, pullers, whams, etc. They want to make those dudes life miserable.
Based on the game tape each week, it seems like DE hunting is a point of emphasis. Either that or our TEs and guards are just sadistic.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 5:34 pm to meansonny
I mean, Smart was here for almost a decade and he’s calling a defense that is largely structured how Saban would approach things.
So I’m sorta just going back and considering how we’d handle elite dual threats that are genuine passers. The thing is sometimes it didn’t work. Deshaun Watson led an offense that scored 40 in a loss and 35 in a win against Saban (Smart DC in the 40 point game).
The reality is it is going to come down to how advanced Russell is at processing things. He’s growing fast but this is going to probably be the most complex defense he will see in the regular season. They’re going to throw a lot at him.
So I’m sorta just going back and considering how we’d handle elite dual threats that are genuine passers. The thing is sometimes it didn’t work. Deshaun Watson led an offense that scored 40 in a loss and 35 in a win against Saban (Smart DC in the 40 point game).
The reality is it is going to come down to how advanced Russell is at processing things. He’s growing fast but this is going to probably be the most complex defense he will see in the regular season. They’re going to throw a lot at him.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 5:41 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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Based on the game tape each week, it seems like DE hunting is a point of emphasis. Either that or our TEs and guards are just sadistic.
I think it's a little of column A and a little of column B. They're being coached to do it, but their enthusiasm for the job is completely natural.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 5:45 pm to Diego Ricardo
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I mean, Smart was here for almost a decade and he’s calling a defense that is largely structured how Saban would approach things.
We have played more zone coverage this season.
The "guess" is that we are trying to prepare for mobile QBs to limit what they can do on scramble drills. Limit explosives.
My expectation for Saturday is the kitchen sink. It won't be one approach like we did to OU or Vandy. The objective will be limit the run and confuse the QB as much as possible.
I remember Ty Simpson had our defense pegged one game. Every pressure was picked up. Every blitz had a receiver occupying the vacated space. And that was as a first year starter.
DeBoer is more of a QB whisperer than baby Kiffin. Kiffin might be a better playcaller with a 15 second headset mic. But DeBoer knows how to make QBs know what to key on.
I expect Russell to be prepared.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 6:24 pm to meansonny
The closest comparison I can think of a QB to Russell that gave Uga’s defense fits is CJ Stroud.
Think it was the 22 peach bowl but Stroud carved up uga’s defense. Even tho osu lost the game Stroud played excellent.
Stroud and Russell are very similar in game play and build with Russell probably better mobility and Stroud slightly bigger build, but both almost identical in scrambling ability in the pocket and arm talent.
Think it was the 22 peach bowl but Stroud carved up uga’s defense. Even tho osu lost the game Stroud played excellent.
Stroud and Russell are very similar in game play and build with Russell probably better mobility and Stroud slightly bigger build, but both almost identical in scrambling ability in the pocket and arm talent.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 6:25 pm to meansonny
Uga will be looking to lay lumber to KR12 unlike they have in any game this season.
If uga plays zone with a light front a lot on Saturday, they will get embarrassed.
One thing will tell me more than anything about Kirby's mindset. If he wins the toss and takes the ball, he is scared and wants to play with a lead. He knows BAMA's defense starts slow too. Playing with a lead allows him to be more aggressive on defense. He will also challenge every punt and try to win this game with special teams. He just doesn't have the offensive capital to win a shootout or the defensive capital to hold BAMA to less than 40 points. He will need BAMA to help him win this game.
The more I watch DeBoer's offense, I'm not convinced Saban would be all that successful against him either. Not today. Maybe in 2012, but not today. Does that make DeBoer a better coach? No. Not necessarily. But if this offense rolls uga and the defense stifles their O, things start looking bleak for everybody else in the SEC not named BAMA.
If uga plays zone with a light front a lot on Saturday, they will get embarrassed.
One thing will tell me more than anything about Kirby's mindset. If he wins the toss and takes the ball, he is scared and wants to play with a lead. He knows BAMA's defense starts slow too. Playing with a lead allows him to be more aggressive on defense. He will also challenge every punt and try to win this game with special teams. He just doesn't have the offensive capital to win a shootout or the defensive capital to hold BAMA to less than 40 points. He will need BAMA to help him win this game.
The more I watch DeBoer's offense, I'm not convinced Saban would be all that successful against him either. Not today. Maybe in 2012, but not today. Does that make DeBoer a better coach? No. Not necessarily. But if this offense rolls uga and the defense stifles their O, things start looking bleak for everybody else in the SEC not named BAMA.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 6:30 pm to Refrigeraider
We always defer.
One of Kirby's key tenets is to win the middle 8. It has nothing to do with the opposition. Everything to do with ball control and momentum.
Edit to add: throwing the kitchen sink means playing everything to prevent Russell from getting comfortable.
You should know that Kirby rarely blitzes. But he often mixes the 4 and 5 that he sends in big games. It is simulated pressure without taking risks on the backend.
One of Kirby's key tenets is to win the middle 8. It has nothing to do with the opposition. Everything to do with ball control and momentum.
Edit to add: throwing the kitchen sink means playing everything to prevent Russell from getting comfortable.
You should know that Kirby rarely blitzes. But he often mixes the 4 and 5 that he sends in big games. It is simulated pressure without taking risks on the backend.
This post was edited on 10/5/26 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 10/5/26 at 6:32 pm to meansonny
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We always defer.
Again. I think Kirby is going to have to break some tendencies to win this game.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 6:34 pm to Refrigeraider
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We always defer.
Again. I think Kirby is going to have to break some tendencies to win this game.
So he isn't going to try and win the middle 8?
Breaking tendencies usually relates to patterns and sequencing. Your presumption is a new one on me.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 7:09 pm to Cover1Key
I can’t prove this but I got the sense CKD let up off the gas in the second half and played not to lose, which IMO will often get you beat.
If we get a lead, there cannot be any letting up off the gas, no ultra conservative play calling. Unless Bama is up by 3 scores and less than two minutes to play.
If we get a lead, there cannot be any letting up off the gas, no ultra conservative play calling. Unless Bama is up by 3 scores and less than two minutes to play.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 7:20 pm to Amarillo Tide
I would like to see a ratio of offensive drives started by T. Brown/Crowell compared to Hill.
Seems like the offense always gets a spark and 2-3 quick/explosive scoring drives as soon as Brown or Crowell start the drive, then will go through a 3 series drought with Hill.
Not taking anything away from Hill at all, and I know the guy has worked his tail off and is great in pass protection, but he simply should not be taking carries away from Brown or Crowell at this point imo
Seems like the offense always gets a spark and 2-3 quick/explosive scoring drives as soon as Brown or Crowell start the drive, then will go through a 3 series drought with Hill.
Not taking anything away from Hill at all, and I know the guy has worked his tail off and is great in pass protection, but he simply should not be taking carries away from Brown or Crowell at this point imo
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