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re: Our offense still hasn’t answered any questions
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:14 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:14 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I guess I just disagree with a lot of the gameplan hate. I thought the 1st half gameplan was great (minus the insane insistence on Bo playing - that shite is ridiculous and makes zero sense). However, I love him, but Jalen almost single handedly fvcked up a really good gameplan that half.
Agreed. I thought Daboll and the Oline actually did really well. Maybe Daboll had a few head-scratching moments of complacency in the second half, but overall he coached a good game.
Somebody commented they were watching it on ESPN 2 and were showing the wide zoom angle, and supposedly Jalen was missing wide open receivers all night long.
Hell he almost squandered a TD to Ridley when he was wide open up the middle, then bounced it outside and just barely got it to him.
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 12:15 pm
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:18 pm to CAbamafan
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Somebody commented they were watching it on ESPN 2 and were showing the wide zoom angle, and supposedly Jalen was missing wide open receivers all night long.
He has been missing wide open receivers all season. That’s why many of us are so frustrated.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:21 pm to FairhopeTider
Todd Blackledge was pretty blunt last night regarding some of Jalen's decisions.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:28 pm to Shaft Williams
There is no doubt that Jalen is a limited passer. So it has come down to this and remember this is a Saban choice.
Put in the guy who avoids risk or the guy who is more big play prone but more turnover prone.
In Saban's mind the turnover thing has a control on the outcome of games, and it does. it got us beat a few times however, I would love to see Tua get a chance if we are stale on Offense.
Jalen's fumble last night was a rare occurrence so I am not worried in that regard.
Either way, and I'll know this for sure when we practice. The Tua package is going to be practiced and ready if needed.
Put in the guy who avoids risk or the guy who is more big play prone but more turnover prone.
In Saban's mind the turnover thing has a control on the outcome of games, and it does. it got us beat a few times however, I would love to see Tua get a chance if we are stale on Offense.
Jalen's fumble last night was a rare occurrence so I am not worried in that regard.
Either way, and I'll know this for sure when we practice. The Tua package is going to be practiced and ready if needed.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:35 pm to Shaft Williams
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Todd Blackledge was pretty blunt last night regarding some of Jalen's decisions
Yes, and it was refreshing to see an announcer actually pay attention instead of just regurgitate what they've heard about him being so good.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:36 pm to CAbamafan
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Agreed. I thought Daboll and the Oline actually did really well. Maybe Daboll had a few head-scratching moments of complacency in the second half, but overall he coached a good game. Somebody commented they were watching it on ESPN 2 and were showing the wide zoom angle, and supposedly Jalen was missing wide open receivers all night long. Hell he almost squandered a TD to Ridley when he was wide open up the middle, then bounced it outside and just barely got it to him.
Yea - and I am firmly in the camp that DaBoll probably calls a different game due to Jalen's passing deficiencies, both in how he sees the field and his ability to throw guys open. Like Boz said above, Saban clearly has decided (especially with a healthy defense) that at this point in this season the risk of turnovers and unknown with Tua is not worth it. I get that. However, like Teague has been saying all year, I continue to lean towards giving DaBoll a bit more of a pass based on the QB situation. He has had some clunkers (Auburn, this stupid fvckin Bo thing), but the only part of last night that was frustrating were Bo and the weird late 3rd/4th qtr reverting back to the Auburn gameplan while up 2+ scores thing.
The first half was masterful from DaBoll given the defense we were playing and the way we had a few open big plays (that we fvcked up) AND controlled the TOP and the 3rd downs.
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:38 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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quote:Agreed. I thought Daboll and the Oline actually did really well. Maybe Daboll had a few head-scratching moments of complacency in the second half, but overall he coached a good game. Somebody commented they were watching it on ESPN 2 and were showing the wide zoom angle, and supposedly Jalen was missing wide open receivers all night long. Hell he almost squandered a TD to Ridley when he was wide open up the middle, then bounced it outside and just barely got it to him. Yea - and I am firmly in the camp that DaBoll probably calls a different game due to Jalen's passing deficiencies, both in how he sees the field and his ability to throw guys open. Like Boz said above, Saban clearly has decided (especially with a healthy defense) that at this point in this season the risk of turnovers and unknown with Tua is not worth it. I get that. However, like Teague has been saying all year, I continue to lean towards giving DaBoll a bit more of a pass based on the QB situation. He has had some clunkers (Auburn, this stupid fvckin Bo thing), but last night's 1st half script was beautiful. The first half was masterful from DaBoll given the defense we were playing and the way we had a few open big plays (that we fvcked up) AND controlled the TOP and the 3rd downs.
Agree with it all. I also think Daboll is still learning how to be an OC. So the weird play calling at the end of the game could be that. I doubt it happens again, Saban did the public fix.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:41 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Agree with it all. I also think Daboll is still learning how to be an OC. So the weird play calling at the end of the game could be that. I doubt it happens again, Saban did the public fix.
Like - the first few drives we were throwing in the 3rd (the drive where Foster didn't catch the poor throw), I totally understand and like the idea of going for the kill shot.
However, the 4th quarter...........LOL. I have no fvckin idea what we were doing. They weren't even play action, take advantage of the defense selling out for the run type things. They were those weird Auburn game sideways rollouts.
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:44 pm to CAbamafan
ON that TD pass Jalen wasn't even ready to throw the ball on the break #3. By that if you review he doesn't have the arm cocked and ready to unload. He is so F slow over and over. That is on the QB coach.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:46 pm to Teague
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Todd Blackledge was pretty blunt last night regarding some of Jalen's decisions
Yes, and it was refreshing to see an announcer actually pay attention instead of just regurgitate what they've heard about him being so good.
He still doesn't get a pass for being so blatantly wrong on his rant about his alleged offensive PI on Payne's TD. Forget the fact that he actually played college and pro football...a guy being paid seven figures to do a national telecast should know the fricking rules of the game.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:46 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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ON that TD pass Jalen wasn't even ready to throw the ball on the break #3. By that if you review he doesn't have the arm cocked and ready to unload. He is so F slow over and over. That is on the QB coach.
I just don't think he processes things. There is only so much you can do as a coach. I'm sure they've watched 975 hours of film. At some point the QB just has to be able to see and process. Jalen clearly doesn't do it well or quickly, or he does process it but won't pull the trigger.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:18 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Jalen's fumble last night was a rare occurrence so I am not worried in that regard
Jalen fumbled against AU.
Not debating you, just this philosophy. What is the difference between an INT and multiple 3 & outs?
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:21 pm to FairhopeTider
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FairhopeTider
Yea - I mean I "understand" it, but at this point just putting in a nice simple gameplan that is heavy running the football and easy PA throws (see Georgia) for Tua would be just fine. Now, it could backfire and you'd (maybe rightly) be roasted for that sort of decision, but I think Saban has proven he gives zero fvcks about public perception of a decision.
However, I'm sure that would lose something in terms of things the defense has to worry about with Jalen and the run game. Jalen is a threat to keep and run inside and outside on every one of those RPO/Play Action plays, and the defense has to account for it. Tua can move around, but I doubt he's nearly the straightline option play threat that Jalen is to a defense like Georgia.
I'd hope we have for Georgia what it sounds like we had for the Sugar Bowl - a plan for Tua if we are bogged down and losing.
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:26 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Jalen doesn't do it well or quickly.
Right now, I'd say he doesn't do it well, quickly. Big difference.
During those games this year where the O line gave him the pocket, and the extra "one Mississippi," Jalen was accurate and on target. He did it well.
Against elite defenses, not so much. Pockets are collapsing almost immediately...no time to set up in the pocket. This is where Jalen has struggled...doing it quickly. An elite OC could game plan for this.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:29 pm to FairhopeTider
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What is the difference between an INT and multiple 3 & outs?
Just for the record, discounting the victory formation (and the fumble) we only had 3 of those all night. Our other 7 possessions went for 6 or more plays.
Last night was a classic Saban/Stallings ball control, defense, field position game. Not terribly pretty, but beautifully, mercilessly efficient and effective.
Here's hoping it will work against UGA too. I'm cautiously optimistic that it will.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:33 pm to JustGetItRight
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Last night was a classic Saban/Stallings ball control, defense, field position game. Not terribly pretty, but beautifully, mercilessly efficient and effective.
Yep. The frustrating thing is the attack should have had 7-10 more points if executed properly.
I really don't get the DaBoll hate from last night. He was pretty good until he smoked crack after the 3rd quarter.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:42 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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The frustrating thing is the attack should have had 7-10 more points if executed properly.
Yep, get first and goal at the 3 and follow it up with a penalty and 5 yard tackle for loss on a sweep.
I would also like to know how you get a delay penalty on a end-of-half FG attempt when you've got timeouts in your pocket. That kick that hit the uprights is good from 5 yards closer.
The score wasn't close, but the game wasn't as close as the score. Bama smashmouthed the shait out of them.
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I really don't get the DaBoll hate from last night
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he smoked crack after the 3rd quarter.
You answered your own question.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:44 pm to JustGetItRight
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e score wasn't close, but the game wasn't as close as the score. Bama smashmouthed the shait out of them.
Yep - which is why at halftime I said it felt like 2011 LSU.
We were only up 7, which was frustrating, but we were whoopin' their arse up front on both sides of the ball, especially their OL vs our DL. They didn't have any schemes that were going to answer that.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:51 pm to Perfect Circle
I think it’s time to admit to ourselves that Jalen simply does not have a very high football IQ. His presnap analysis - and further, ability to put that info into action - is weak, at best. When you have DBs walking up from the slot or on the strong side edge before the snap, you have to be expecting blitz pressure. If the DB shoots, you immediately look to throw from where the pressure came from. That’s QBing 101. If he backs off, go through your normal route progressions.
My frustration with Jalen is it seems that every blitz is like the first blitz he’s ever seen.
My frustration with Jalen is it seems that every blitz is like the first blitz he’s ever seen.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 2:04 pm to Shaft Williams
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Todd Blackledge was pretty blunt last night regarding some of Jalen's decisions.
What are some examples of what he said? I had the sound down on the tv.
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