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re: OT: Breaking news, Kobe Bryant dead
Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:14 am to The Spleen
Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:14 am to The Spleen
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This doesn't prove no rape occurred, FYI.
I posted a fraction of the evidence in that case. The most damning evidence against that woman was the fact that nearly everyone that knew her came out of the woodwork to testify against her, and yes, as a result of that testimony (or being quoted in the newspaper), I'm confident in my assessment that she was a crazy person.
Furthermore, if you look at both person's account of the incident, given that she admitted to willingly going to his room and disrobing, that it was clear to both parties what was happening.
Of course, a crazy person can be raped, but if you look at the facts of the case (much of which is not posted here), coupled with the testimony to the character/behavior of the 2 parties from direct friends and family, then there is no way to come to the conclusion that Kobe Bryant raped that woman. Hell, Kobe Bryant is not the only person that woman has accused of rape. What, is she a rape magnet?
Believe whatever you want to believe - you have the God-given right to be wrong. But the facts of this case exonerate [my word choice] Kobe of the act of rape, and the legal system agreed. The truth is the truth, and it doesn't need your permission to exist.
It baffles me how the average US citizen so willingly believes whatever a person is accused of, and fights tooth and nail against any evidence exonerating [my word choice] that person, and does this in a country where supposedly a person is innocent until proven guilty. The US is a crazy fricking place, and its hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:41 am to prevatt33b
Gonna miss the hell out of Kobe. Read his books. Look at his businesses. See his Mamba sports complex for kids.
If he never scored a point, he's already a SAG and fricking Oscar winner, venture capitalist, writer, and charitable man.
All I know about reading this thread is GlobeTrotter is a sad boomer who lives in some dusty outpost where they preach but don't practice. Go to hell.
If he never scored a point, he's already a SAG and fricking Oscar winner, venture capitalist, writer, and charitable man.
All I know about reading this thread is GlobeTrotter is a sad boomer who lives in some dusty outpost where they preach but don't practice. Go to hell.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:42 am to prevatt33b
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the legal system agreed.
The legal system didn't agree though. The case was dropped because she refused to testify. We can speculate on her reason for refusing, but the case being dropped doesn't prove innocence or guilt.
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It baffles me how the average US citizen so willingly believes whatever a person is accused of
Just for the record, I don't fully believe her story. I think it's unfortunate her reputation was dragged through the mud when that reputation has little to do with what actually happened. If I had to guess on what happened, it started consensual and at some point it turned into something he thought was consensual, and she did not. If I recall correctly, there were accusations of anal penetration, and ejaculating on her face. I also believe there is the chance that she just made it all up. I don't think there are enough known facts for anyone to make a reasonable conclusion.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:43 am to mistaken4193
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This is maybe the most shocking sports news story of my life.
Maybe. It's certainly one of the saddest. I remember the Marshall plane crash. But as far as pure shock, for me, nothing tops Magic Johnson announcing he had HIV. Because at the time the knee jerk assumption by most people was that he'd had gay sex and that he was going to be dead in a year or so.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:50 am to The Spleen
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I think it's unfortunate her reputation was dragged through the mud when that reputation has little to do with what actually happened
Depends on what your reputation is. I agree that a women's sexual predilections and history have zero to do with a rape case, but if you're talking about a person with a reputation for dishonesty or using threats of calls to the police to control the behavior of others then it's a totally different ballgame. I don't remember the specifics of the situation with Kobe's accuser but I do recall that Reuben's ex-girlfriend had a history of that sort of behavior.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:02 pm to The Spleen
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We can speculate on her reason for refusing, but the case being dropped doesn't prove innocence or guilt.
No one has to prove their innocence. He’s innocent because they didn’t prove him guilty. That’s how America works
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:06 pm to Cobrasize
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No one has to prove their innocence
This is true.
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He’s innocent because they didn’t prove him guilty.
This is not true.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:09 pm to Robot Santa
I disagree
Innocent until proven guilty. He wasn’t proven guilty, therefore he’s innocent.
Innocent until proven guilty. He wasn’t proven guilty, therefore he’s innocent.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:16 pm to Cobrasize
Innocent and not guilty are two wildly different things. The presumption of innocence is overcome by evidence. If evidence exists that a person did in fact commit a crime but is insufficient to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt then that person is considered not guilty rather than innocent. By your logic OJ was innocent, but anyone with a semi-functioning brain knows he brutally murdered two people.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:22 pm to Robot Santa
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By your logic OJ was innocent, but anyone with a semi-functioning brain knows he brutally murdered two people.
That’s just our opinion. By law he’s innocent. Opinions don’t matter
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:28 pm to Cobrasize
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By law he’s innocent.
Legally speaking, there's a large gap between not guilty and innocent.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:28 pm to Cobrasize
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That’s just our opinion. By law he’s innocent. Opinions don’t matter
If you think OJ is factually innocent you're a window licking moron. That applies to anyone, not just you specifically.
And by law he was found not guilty. There is no box for innocent for a jury to check. Acquittals are not exonerations.
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Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:42 pm to Robot Santa
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If you think OJ is factually innocent you're a window licking moron. That applies to anyone, not just you specifically.
Ohh he’s guilty as hell, in my opinion. The court of public opinion doesn’t mean shite though.
I say he’s guilty as hell, but I can also see that his eldest son could have done it.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:43 pm to Robot Santa
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And by law he was found not guilty. There is no box for innocent for a jury to check. Acquittals are not exonerations.
There isn’t a box for innocent because it’s presumed if you aren’t found guilty. We just have a difference of opinion on this
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:44 pm to Cobrasize
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He wasn’t proven guilty, therefore he’s innocent.
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Innocent until proven guilty.
I hope you are only referring to this one instance.
If I commit a crime and get away with it I know I would be guilty as hell.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:49 pm to Cobrasize
I get your point, and it's a valid one in the context of the American criminal justice system. The reality is there is also the court of public opinion. The latter is quite often riddled with inaccuracies and bias, but fair or not it's part of the story. It's fair to say he's innocent because there was never a criminal trial where he was found guilty. We can also say that that fact doesn't mean he didn't actually commit the crime he was accused of committing.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:50 pm to TideSaint
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If I commit a crime and get away with it I know I would be guilty as hell.
If I kill ten people, but the court finds me not guilty.......... I’m tap dancing out of the court house knowing I got away with it
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:51 pm to The Spleen
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The reality is there is also the court of public opinion.
Key word being opinion. I know what you’re saying though
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:52 pm to Cobrasize
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If I kill ten people, but the court finds me not guilty.......... I’m tap dancing out of the court house knowing I got away with it
Naturally.
But you'd still be guilty.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:54 pm to Cobrasize
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Key word being opinion.
Jury verdicts are also opinions.
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