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re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)
Posted on 5/13/20 at 7:44 am to TideSaint
Posted on 5/13/20 at 7:44 am to TideSaint
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everyone has to see the obvious politically divided approach to this situation.
I do, and I see one side mostly following the advice of medical experts, and one side expressing skepticism of the medical experts.
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Posted on 5/13/20 at 7:50 am to The Spleen
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I do, and I see one side mostly following the advice of medical experts, and one side expressing skepticism of the medical experts.
"Experts" have been horribly wrong throughout this entire ordeal.
Remember the uproar over ventilators?
Posted on 5/13/20 at 8:22 am to TideSaint
They've been wrong on some aspects of it. That's to be expected with a new virus with very limited information. Experts being wrong on things is no excuse to wholly dismiss their other recommendations. They still know more than the non-experts, even though the non-experts may be right on some things. Medicine isn't an exact science. My doctor has misdiagnosed me before. It's not because he's a bad doctor, and it certainly isn't reason for me to dismiss all of medicine because of it.
But even beyond all that, it's just more reason to have more rigorous testing and tracing, both in hot spots and projected hot spots. Until we have more data on how it spreads, why it affects certain demographics, characteristics of spreaders of it, etc., we're flying a little blind and the getting back to normal is further delayed.
But even beyond all that, it's just more reason to have more rigorous testing and tracing, both in hot spots and projected hot spots. Until we have more data on how it spreads, why it affects certain demographics, characteristics of spreaders of it, etc., we're flying a little blind and the getting back to normal is further delayed.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 9:32 am to TideSaint
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The local governments down here aren't frustrated though.
Sure, some "local" governments like New Orleans, Birmingham, Jackson, etc. have expressed their concerns, but as you said, that's political. It's interesting the leadership in those areas all come from the Left, no?
I'm not trying to derail this thread with politics, but everyone has to see the obvious politically divided approach to this situation.
It's also politics when the White House is masking up everyone and testing like wildfire and local and state leaders from the right don't demand the same for businesses re-opening.
The administration obviously thinks they look better with claims of abundant testing but not actually increasing testing to the point that it doubles positive cases since that casts more doubt on open it all up right now arguments.
(I certainly won't say all since many Republican business leaders have been keen of extreme testing for months and I did see Lamar Alexander expressing frustration about the lack of testing in Senate meetings just yesterday.)
It's all politics and we're a smarter populace if we analyze single motive from everyone.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 10:18 am to The Spleen
You always think the good old government can solve all our problems. Lord have mercy. How often should you be tested. Every week? Just because you dont have it this week, doesnt mean you wont have it next week. This thing isnt going away until we have a vaccine that prevents it.
At risk people just need to stay home. If you are under 50 and dont have lung or heart issues, there apparently isnt much to worry about. I am 69 and do not believe the world should be shut down because I am that old. I get sick and tired of the example of the college kid that parties at the beach and then goes to to grand pa's house and give it to him. Thats just stupid. If granddad is at risk, he should just keep other people out of his home. But, we should not go into a depression because I am 69 yrs old. Thats bull crap.
At risk people just need to stay home. If you are under 50 and dont have lung or heart issues, there apparently isnt much to worry about. I am 69 and do not believe the world should be shut down because I am that old. I get sick and tired of the example of the college kid that parties at the beach and then goes to to grand pa's house and give it to him. Thats just stupid. If granddad is at risk, he should just keep other people out of his home. But, we should not go into a depression because I am 69 yrs old. Thats bull crap.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 10:18 am to TideSaint
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She used a straight razor
I'd settle for hedge trimmers at this point
Posted on 5/13/20 at 10:43 am to TideSaint
Saint did you go to the Off Base Barber Shop? Never mind I see later you went to Prattville. My next door neighbor owns this Barber Shop. He charges $10 for a haircut. Name is Stan.
This post was edited on 5/13/20 at 10:48 am
Posted on 5/13/20 at 10:49 am to IB4bama
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You always think the good old government can solve all our problems.
Nowhere in any of my posts, across any of these boards, have ever expressed any belief that government can solve all of our problems. A government that can't get out of its own way can certainly exasperate our problems though, and that is what I think has happened here with the lack of a rigorous testing and tracing program. It has nothing to do with testing me, or how often it tests any individual. It's about getting testing kits to heavily impacted areas, testing as many people as possible, isolating those that are positive, and contact tracing those that are positive. That allows for analysts to have more data to more effectively suggest policies to limit its spread. That hasn't happened at the level that is necessary, and is the primary reason 4 months into the outbreak here there is still a lot of uncertainly on when we can get back to anything close to normal.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 11:06 am to The Spleen
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They've been wrong on some aspects of it. That's to be expected with a new virus with very limited information. Experts being wrong on things is no excuse to wholly dismiss their other recommendations. They still know more than the non-experts, even though the non-experts may be right on some things.
The acceptance of science or raw hostility towards science based on a person's political loyalties is one of the most bizarre things about American culture.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 11:30 am to Robot Santa
Indeed, and I actually hate that I used the word "skepticism" in an earlier post. I think a level of skepticism is good thing, not just in science, but in all fields. Weaponized skepticism is rarely good thing though.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 11:35 am to The Spleen
At-risk folks and people that live with them can stay home, everybody else should be allowed to work, play, etc.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 11:47 am to Robot Santa
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The acceptance of science or raw hostility towards science based on a person's political loyalties is one of the most bizarre things about American culture.
The "lock it all down" vs. "open it all up" debate is entirely political, not science-driven. There are 12 total deaths in the state of Alabama in people under 50 from the virus, and zero in healthy people under 50. Yet public health "experts" continue to advocate taking a flamethrower to a termite nest in the wall because they 1) base their recommendations on a single variable analysis (COVID-19 cases and deaths), giving literally zero concern to the secondary public health effects of their policy recommendations including non-COVID health outcomes, poverty, education, etc.; and 2) have an inherent bias toward data that supports the most dire possible scenarios (for job security reasons - backlash against an underestimation will be significantly less than backlash against an overestimation).
Yet anyone who applies any degree of skepticism to their recommendations, particularly in light of the data we DO have now, is roundly derided as anything from "anti-science" to "granny killer".
Posted on 5/13/20 at 11:56 am to TideCPA
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The mayor of LA has sent a terrifying warning to Angelinos that 'LA will never be completely open until we have a cure', one day after the county health director extended its lockdown by three months.
Unbelievable
Posted on 5/13/20 at 12:11 pm to Cobrasize
LINK ]L.A. County could keep stay-at-home orders in place well into summer, depending on conditions (L.A. Times)
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Los Angeles County’s stay-at-home orders will “with all certainty” be extended for the next three months, county Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer acknowledged during a Board of Supervisors meeting Tuesday.
Ferrer later added that even if the orders remain in place through the summer, restrictions will be “gradually relaxed” under a five-step plan...
This post was edited on 5/13/20 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:21 pm to TidalSurge1
Father has tested positive. The branch that he tested at in a medium sized alabama town had their highest number of tests that day. (Monday) There is some speculation there were some employees infected at a grocery store that might have led to a number of infections in the town, but with such a lack of testing, it's hard to say. His wife who lives with him is still not able to get a test because she's asymptomatic and obviously there are not enough tests.
He was not in an 'at-risk' demographic. It's not fake news. Stay safe out there folks.
He was not in an 'at-risk' demographic. It's not fake news. Stay safe out there folks.
This post was edited on 5/13/20 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:48 pm to TideCPA
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Yet anyone who applies any degree of skepticism to their recommendations, particularly in light of the data we DO have now, is roundly derided as anything from "anti-science" to "granny killer".
There is nothing wrong with a healthy amount of skepticism. Science is pretty much based on skepticism. There is a lot wrong with the attitude that because medical experts have been wrong about a handful of things that literally everything they say should either be completely ignored or given no more weight than the latest verbal diarrhea Sean Hannity is aggressively spewing through the television screen.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:54 pm to TideCPA
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The "lock it all down" vs. "open it all up" debate is entirely political, not science-driven.
This I agree with. Every decision made by a governor, mayor, or someone in congress has really nothing to do with the health of people but purely driven politically. Which is funny now that we are seeing more states start to push for reopen because they are going broke due to lack of tax revenue from gas, hotel, and sales tax.
I will say though that the lock down has provided some key data to help us reopen sooner then later. We may be long from finding a vaccine but we have learned how to navigate it from spreading and what will work for the most par. I think if the lock down did not happen not only would the spread be worse but we finally would have been locked down and for longer. I think we have learned enough now to manage the virus and how it spreads.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:55 pm to Robot Santa
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latest verbal diarrhea Sean Hannity
Or Rachel Maddow.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 3:37 pm to JustGetItRight
Posted on 5/13/20 at 4:13 pm to Robot Santa
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There is a lot wrong with the attitude that because medical experts have been wrong about a handful of things that literally everything they say should either be completely ignored or given no more weight than the latest verbal diarrhea Sean Hannity is aggressively spewing through the television screen.
Gotta disagree. There is absolutely nothing wrong with giving little weight to the public policy recommendations of any "medical expert" who not only has a track record of being materially incorrect in their prognostications, but also only utilizes a single variable in their policy analysis, which is largely what is happening on both a national and local scale. There continues to be a singular focus on reducing total COVID-19 cases/deaths, with no regard for the secondary implications of policy recommendations on public health (or anything else for that matter) beyond the virus. In fact, it seems as though anyone who even attempts to address or quantify the unintended consequences of the policies being implemented is summarily dismissed and shouted down as "anti-science".
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