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re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)
Posted on 4/30/20 at 3:56 pm to Evolved Simian
Posted on 4/30/20 at 3:56 pm to Evolved Simian
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Everything I've read says that they have abandoned any claims of it saving lives, but it does decrease recovery time by 31% in hospitalized patients, which is why it got approved.
I think a big part of this is basically semantics. Really nothing seems to make much difference once a patient goes on a vent.
The big goal is to keep them from getting to that point because even pre-covid once you go on mechanical ventilation you're circling the drain really fast. Survival rates for patients getting mechanical ventilation (especially for longer than a week or so) are pretty low no matter what put the on the vent.
I don't know of there's really an accurate way to measure and say if a drug kept a particular patient off a vent or not except to do extended studies that involve withholding a drug that speeds recovery from patients and IMO that's a road you don't want to travel.
Lot of words to say if it keeps them off the vent it is indeed saving lives but you can't necessarily claim that because it didn't reach into the bowl and snatch them up out of the septic tank.
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Posted on 4/30/20 at 4:47 pm to JustGetItRight
AL Attorney General Steve Marshall sent a letter to the City of Birmingham advising them that the mask ordinance is unconstitutional and could potentially cost the city a lot of money in litigation.
Woodfin responds that he made the right decision and is only looking out for the welfare of the people of Bham.
This is exactly why the city made this move.
Woodfin responds that he made the right decision and is only looking out for the welfare of the people of Bham.
This is exactly why the city made this move.
This post was edited on 4/30/20 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 4/30/20 at 6:32 pm to FairhopeTider
Figured that was coming. Pretty much the same thing that happened when Stephen Reed declared only 10 people at a time could go to Wal-Mart.
Going to be interesting to see if they proceed with a suit. IMO that is sort of a Pandora’s box. If they do and win - which I would bet they do - then there is a precedent for challenging a lot of what Ivey has done.
All the political posturing playing aside, Bham’s response all but said we aren’t fining or arresting anyone. That may be enough to let it all play out and die on its own in a couple of weeks.
Don’t, however, be surprised if JeffCo and Mobile lose their independent public health officers when this is all over.
Going to be interesting to see if they proceed with a suit. IMO that is sort of a Pandora’s box. If they do and win - which I would bet they do - then there is a precedent for challenging a lot of what Ivey has done.
All the political posturing playing aside, Bham’s response all but said we aren’t fining or arresting anyone. That may be enough to let it all play out and die on its own in a couple of weeks.
Don’t, however, be surprised if JeffCo and Mobile lose their independent public health officers when this is all over.
This post was edited on 4/30/20 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:45 pm to JustGetItRight
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Don’t, however, be surprised if JeffCo and Mobile lose their independent public health officers when this is all over.
Why would Jefferson County lose it's health officer?
Posted on 5/1/20 at 5:45 am to Evolved Simian
The state legislature isn’t a fan of local officials gong against their wishes.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 8:36 am to TideWarrior
One article said, the study on that drug was done on seriously ill patients.
It said the mortality rate dropped from 11.4% to 8.0%.
So they believe it likely did save lives--no way to prove that though. In another article an infectious disease Dr said if it decreased the recovery time by 4 or 5 days, it likely would save lives. That was just his speculation.
But this was only done on very sick patients. Its the Covid Pneumonia that is killing people. So, maybe if those infected got the drug earlier, it might prevent someone from getting the bad pneumonia. But I guess as other Drs have said if you catch it before it gets bad, they can treat you with traditional drugs and shorten the hospital stay, and keep people off the vent.
It said the mortality rate dropped from 11.4% to 8.0%.
So they believe it likely did save lives--no way to prove that though. In another article an infectious disease Dr said if it decreased the recovery time by 4 or 5 days, it likely would save lives. That was just his speculation.
But this was only done on very sick patients. Its the Covid Pneumonia that is killing people. So, maybe if those infected got the drug earlier, it might prevent someone from getting the bad pneumonia. But I guess as other Drs have said if you catch it before it gets bad, they can treat you with traditional drugs and shorten the hospital stay, and keep people off the vent.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 8:44 am to IB4bama
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A small group of about 10 people has gathered in downtown Raleigh to protest their first and second amendment rights. Most people in the group were carrying guns and wearing masks. Police spoke to them, reminding them it is against the law to protest while carrying a gun.
If against the law why did they not just do something other then remind them.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 10:36 am to TideWarrior
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If against the law why did they not just do something other then remind them.
Several reasons:
(1) They want to de-escalate. Arrest 10 today there may be 100 tomorrow and at some point it might get violent.
(2) Elected leaders don't want to pay a price at the next election if they can avoid it.
(3) They want to avoid federal court challenges that could result in a ruling that the orders go too far.
(4) Don't discount the notion that LE might actually agree with the protesters. I know of one food establishment in my area that is brazenly breaking the spirit if not letter of Alabama's restrictions. Local and county LE is not only aware of it, they're partaking in it.
This post was edited on 5/1/20 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 5/1/20 at 10:45 am to JustGetItRight
“we’re not enforcing your stupid rules.”Posted on 5/1/20 at 12:03 pm to JustGetItRight
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Three reasons:
(1) They want to de-escalate. Arrest 10 today there may be 100 tomorrow and at some point it might get violent.
(2) Elected leaders don't want to pay a price at the next election if they can avoid it.
(3) They want to avoid federal court challenges that could result in a ruling that the orders go too far.
(4) Don't discount the notion that LE might actually agree with the protesters. I know of one food establishment in my area that is brazenly breaking the spirit if not letter of Alabama's restrictions. Local and county LE is not only aware of it, they're partaking in it.
I agree for the most part but when you allow these type of idiots to run around in public who are more likely to harm themselves then others I begin to worry.
The next generation of video game warriors. I guarantee they would all piss themselves once a shot was fired.
This post was edited on 5/1/20 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 5/1/20 at 12:11 pm to TideWarrior
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Modoc County, in the northwest corner of California, has defied Gov. Gavin Newsom's shutdown order, reopening "non-essential" businesses and allowing diners at restaurants.
"We’re not in this at all to defy anything. We align with the plans. We’re just at a different phase in this because of where we are and how we live," Heather Hadwick, deputy director of the county's Office of Emergency Services, told Politico.
The county, which borders Oregon and Nevada, is rural and hasn't reported any coronavirus infections.
So the political battle lines have been drawn.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 12:13 pm to TideWarrior
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A study in Pennsylvania is utilizing scent detection dogs to find positive samples of the virus. Eight dogs will be exposed to COVID-19 saliva and urine samples in a lab. Once they learn the odor, researchers can document whether the dogs can recognize positive and negative samples. They will then create a platform for testing to determine if the dogs can identify infected people. This study could play a vital role in detecting asymptomatic patients.
This will be good. I can not imagine what groups will protest this. You have PETA on one hand protesting to stop inhumane practices on the dogs and another group protesting dogs sniffing them out in public as a violation of their civil liberties.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 12:44 pm to JustGetItRight
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Going to be interesting to see if they proceed with a suit. IMO that is sort of a Pandora’s box. If they do and win - which I would bet they do - then there is a precedent for challenging a lot of what Ivey has done.
No they wouldn't. There is very, very long standing precedent for allowing state and local governments to infringe on some civil liberties in the name of public welfare. Temporarily requiring people to wear facemasks in public places during a pandemic is not an illegal power grab.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 12:50 pm to Robot Santa
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No they wouldn't. There is very, very long standing precedent for allowing state and local governments to infringe on some civil liberties in the name of public welfare. Temporarily requiring people to wear facemasks in public places during a pandemic is not an illegal power grab.
The standard is that the restrictions have to be the minimum infringement necessary to meet the public safety needs.
As I read Bham's ordinance, if you're walking down the sidewalk coming home from the store and you're unmasked you're in violation and subject to a citation or arrest. Going to be very hard to sell that as the minimum necessary.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 1:03 pm to TideWarrior
Do these fake GI Joe's realize how stupid they look dressing up like that and carrying guns to a "protest" that has nothing to do with guns?
Posted on 5/1/20 at 2:47 pm to JustGetItRight
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The standard is that the restrictions have to be the minimum infringement necessary to meet the public safety needs.
Wearing a mask in public is, at most, an incredibly minor infringement on anyone, and they specifically carved out exceptions for people who have medical issues preventing them from being able to tolerate wearing a mask.
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As I read Bham's ordinance, if you're walking down the sidewalk coming home from the store and you're unmasked you're in violation and subject to a citation or arrest.
It specifically limits the requirements to situations where you are interacting with others in public. They carve out an exception for walking by yourself. Part 1 of subsection (d).
This post was edited on 5/1/20 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 5/1/20 at 3:16 pm to Robot Santa
You guy’s still talking about this issue? It’s over.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 4:48 pm to LovetheLord
You guys are more versed on COVID 19 than me but just curious about this. Do you HAVE to have an incubation period or can you be exposed and be symptomatic a few days later ?? The reason I asked is bc Mississippi “opened” up some Monday and had our highest number of new cases today at 397. If not, then I expect that total to jump up pretty significantly the next couple of weeks
Posted on 5/1/20 at 5:25 pm to Bear88
I think pretty much everyone is asymptomatic but contagious for 3 to 5 days post exposure.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 5:46 pm to Bear88
I believe it’s within 14 days of exposure you can show symptoms. So some take as long as 14 days, others show symptoms pretty quickly.
Saw that Georgia had around 1,000 confirmed cases yesterday as well. I’m not sure these new cases have much to do with the relaxing of of the shutdown orders though. It’s certainly reason to give pause and reconsider the relaxation though.
Saw that Georgia had around 1,000 confirmed cases yesterday as well. I’m not sure these new cases have much to do with the relaxing of of the shutdown orders though. It’s certainly reason to give pause and reconsider the relaxation though.
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