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re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)
Posted on 4/27/20 at 9:13 pm to TideWarrior
Posted on 4/27/20 at 9:13 pm to TideWarrior
Struggling with the same thing Bear88. I feel ya.
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Posted on 4/27/20 at 9:36 pm to TidalSurge1
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N.Y.C. Deaths Reach 6 Times the Normal Level, Far More Than Coronavirus Count Suggests (NYT)
There's over 20K more deaths than normal for the time period since this began the end of March just in NYC.
That's way over the amount so far contributed to Covid.
There's more actual evidence to support the idea that deaths in NYC have been under counted.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 12:59 am to TideCPA
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Thus, the only possibly successful path is to continue with virtual house arrest until the arrival of a vaccine (if and when it ever occurs).
Well, I'm pretty sure there has never been a successful vaccine developed for any human coronavirus, so I'm not holding out much hope for this one.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 1:43 am to wm72
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There's over 20K more deaths than normal for the time period since this began the end of March just in NYC.
That's way over the amount so far contributed to Covid.
About 4,200 more, and that is significant.
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There's more actual evidence to support the idea that deaths in NYC have been under counted.
I actually expect that when the full analysis is done (and it will be), that most of these deaths are from deferred treatment of either chronic or acute health problems. The secondary health crisis we're creating by either shutting people out of, or scaring them away from subacute, preventive, and diagnostic medicine is very real.
On a different note, in response to the guy who said you could still go see your doctors in Alabama, it's true. You can, but they don't always make it easy. My elderly mother tested positive for colon cancer last week. Her regular doctor referred her to another doctor. Doc 2 called her today and told her that before he could see her, she would need to arrange to have a coronavirus test and, obviously, get a negative result. Can you schedule a test without having any symptoms at all these days? This is a serious question, by the way. I honestly have no idea, but I need to make sure she gets it done quickly.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 2:24 am
Posted on 4/28/20 at 1:47 am to Evolved Simian
Prayers for your mom and your whole family. It’s ridiculous how they are putting procedures off because of this crap
Posted on 4/28/20 at 6:55 am to Evolved Simian
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My elderly mother tested positive for colon cancer last week. Her regular doctor referred her to another doctor. Doc 2 called her today and told her that before he could see her, she would need to arrange to have a coronavirus test and, obviously, get a negative result.
I am sorry to hear this. It's terrible to see someone you love facing something like this at any time. Now it adds so much more stress. Just a suggestion - see if her doctor will refer her somewhere else. I have two friends facing cancer battles right now and neither of them have had any issues getting treatment.
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I actually expect that when the full analysis is done (and it will be), that most of these deaths are from deferred treatment of either chronic or acute health problems. The secondary health crisis we're creating by either shutting people out of, or scaring them away from subacute, preventive, and diagnostic medicine is very real.
There will be some covid for sure, and some of this. Also, don't discount the impact of increased stress on people. I can't imagine what it's been like in NY. When all this got started, the line was "we don't want to be the next Italy." New York isn't the next Italy. Italy is glad it wasn't New York. NYC's per capita death rate is nearly 4 times higher than Italy's. NY state as a whole is double. They're locked down, people are losing jobs and worried about the future, everybody knows dozens who've had it and probably several that have died from it. That kind of stress - particularly if you've got underlying issues that predispose you to heart attack and stroke - will kill you.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 8:48 am to JustGetItRight
LINK ]6 monkeys given an experimental coronavirus vaccine from Oxford did not catch COVID-19 after heavy exposure, raising hopes for a human vaccine
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The vaccine given to the rhesus macaques is called hAdOx1 nCoV-19. Human trials began Thursday and are expected to be finished in September. The process of developing a vaccine is long, and even having a usable product by September would be unusually fast.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 8:50 am
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:10 am to TidalSurge1
Even if they are able to determine by September that it works it will be a long time after that before it is widely available and administered. And even then you have to worry about the ever expanding legion of anti-vaxx trash that will refuse to go get it and keep us all at risk.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 10:17 am to Robot Santa
If you get the vaccine and it does it's job, how does some "anti-vaxx trash" who doesn't get the vaccine put you at risk?
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 10:20 am
Posted on 4/28/20 at 10:18 am to Robot Santa
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Even if they are able to determine by September that it works it will be a long time after that before it is widely available and administered. And even then you have to worry about the ever expanding legion of anti-vaxx trash that will refuse to go get it and keep us all at risk.
I never get the flu vaccine. I don't see myself ever getting this vaccine either.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 10:52 am to TidalSurge1
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If you get the vaccine and it does it's job, how does some "anti-vaxx trash" who doesn't get the vaccine put you at risk?
Well first of all no one actually knows how a COVID-19 vaccine is going to work because we still know hardly anything about the virus itself. A successful vaccine developed now would be effective against the current iteration of the virus, but how long that vaccine is good for and if/when/how the virus itself mutates is anyone's guess at this point. You need like a 90%+ vaccination rate among those who have never contracted the disease in order to develop herd immunity. The increase in anti-vaxx trash, and I have no problem referring to anti-vaxxers as trash because that is exactly what they are, is beginning to put more and more communities at risk due to the resurgence of shite like measles and whooping cough. Not everyone can actually get vaccinated due to legitimate medical conditions (rather than some crap they read Karen post on Facebook) and not all vaccines last forever. The only way to ensure that a vaccine for this works long term, if and when one is developed, is to get it applied to everyone who is medically safe to receive it. The more people who refuse, the less likely it is to assist in developing herd immunity.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 10:54 am
Posted on 4/28/20 at 11:11 am to Robot Santa
Ivey speaking now. This is brutal. She can barely read.
Just as we thought, she’s letting the stay at home expire on 5/1 with some restrictions still in place.
Just as we thought, she’s letting the stay at home expire on 5/1 with some restrictions still in place.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 11:16 am to FairhopeTider
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Just as we thought, she’s letting the stay at home expire on 5/1 with some restrictions still in place.
More than "some":
Posted on 4/28/20 at 11:26 am to TideCPA
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Gov. Kay Ivey reopening parts of the state in a plan dubbed “Safer at Home.”
A stay-at-home order is set to expire April 30. The new plan will be in place through May 15.
What’s changing:
People are encouraged to stay at home and practice good sanitation procedures.
All retail stores will be allowed to reopen, subject to sanitation and social-distancing guidelines. Occupancy will be limited to 50 percent.
Beaches will reopen with no gatherings of 10 people or more allowed. People must maintain 6 feet of separation.
Elective medical procedures will restart with all COVID-19-related rules and guidelines from the state in place.
What’s not changing:
Restaurants, bars and breweries remain limited to take-out, curbside or delivery.
Non-work related gatherings of 10 people or more are prohibited. Drive-in gatherings are permitted if people stay in their cars with members of their own household.
Senior citizen centers remain closed except for meal pickup or delivery.
Schools remain closed for in-person instruction, with an exception for “daytime special activities programs.”
Child care facilities remain limited to 12 people or more per room.
Strict visitation policies remain in place for hospitals and nursing homes.
Entertainment venues, such as night clubs, theaters and bowling alleys will be closed.
Athletic facilities such as gyms will be closed.
Close-contact service providers such as barber shops, hair salons, nail salons and tattoo service will remain closed.
So she didn't follow the Lt Governor's recommendation on much, if anything.
ETA: No in-person church worship either.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 11:28 am
Posted on 4/28/20 at 11:40 am to TideSaint
It's a pretty reasonable first step. If cases continue a downward trend in the coming weeks, it'll be relaxed some more.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 11:47 am to TidalSurge1
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If you get the vaccine and it does it's job, how does some "anti-vaxx trash" who doesn't get the vaccine put you at risk?
Don't get them started because people with that mentality seem to be clueless.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 11:53 am to TideWarrior
Reasonable approach, allows most to start going back to work.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 11:53 am to Robot Santa
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resurgence of shite like measles and whooping cough.
Yeah how does that work. I received the measles vaccine and still got it not once but twice. And yes I received all vaccines.
Maybe the people who are not getting the virus is because they have a strong immune system and do not need artificial infections to fight it.
See the problem with vaccines today are like the one for the flu. Every year now they have to update it because of the thousands of mutations the vaccine is helping to create. But many sheep will follow the plan of large pharma companies so they can keep getting rich. And understand I have no problem trying to find a cure to rid us of something completely but being a test subject is not an option I prefer.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 11:57 am
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