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re: Official Fall Camp Discussion Thread - Who Wants to Wear Out That Trojan arse?

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Posted by bamasgot13
Birmingham
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:07 pm to
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These and the other odds solely depend on the scrimmages.

They are ultimately decided by the scrimmages, but anyone putting odds on it now are basing it almost completely on the media reports on practice updates. The media has a very small amount of time on field. The clock starts as the doors are opened for them and they are flat out told to leave before the time (I think 15 minutes) is up, b/c those doors shut at the exact second their time is up.

Bottom line, most of what goes into the evaluation is not seen by very many people.
Posted by TideSaint
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:13 pm to
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TUSCALOOSA, Ala. — Marlon Humphrey is now the answer man for Alabama’s secondary.

The Crimson Tide’s secondary is full of underclassmen which makes Humphrey one of the old guys heading into his third year in Tuscaloosa.

“It’s a little weird,” Humphrey said. “But it’s just weird to think I’m a redshirt sophomore and I’m not really that freshman that’s just learning. I’m figuring out little things that I didn’t know, maybe just different techniques and other styles.”

Humphrey is slated to start at one of Alabama’s cornerback spots this year. But his role this season extends beyond locking down one side of the field.

Alabama lost veterans Cyrus Jones and Geno Matias-Smith to graduation. Senior safety Eddie Jackson is the lone returning upperclassmen.

That means Humphrey must be more vocal and offer tips on how to decipher Alabama coach Nick Saban’s sometimes-complicated teaching methods.

“Main thing is I just try to practice hard because I know that the younger guys, that’s who you look to when you’re young and you’re confused on some things or in meetings,” Humphrey said. “Sometimes you ask an older guy a question when you don’t exactly understand what Saban means. Typical freshman thing, not exactly understanding. I just try to do the things right that Saban teaches, set a good example.”

Humphrey met with reporters in the main media room for the first time in his career on Wednesday. Humphrey, a Hoover, Ala. native, kept things light and was full of jokes. He laughed about needing to “stop gaining some weight” if he has any hopes of ever competing in the Olympics (Humphrey is a sprinter/hurdler on Alabama’s track team).

Humphrey is now 200 pounds. That’s great for an SEC defensive back, but a little heavy for track and field.

Humphrey has the speed to return kickoffs. But don’t expect him to be back deep anytime soon.

“Umm, I would, but I’m not gonna lie, I don’t know if I want to get hit,” Humphrey said, smiling. “I do, but at the same time, I think they put me running down and blocking for a reason.”

Humphrey earned freshman All-American honors from the FWAA after starting all 15 games last season. Humphrey finished the year with 45 tackles with 3.5 tackles for loss, three interceptions and eight pass breakups.

Humphrey’s most notable play came in the Crimson Tide’s national championship win over Clemson. With the game tied at 24 in the fourth quarter, Saban felt Alabama needed a big play if his team had any hope of beating Clemson. Saban dialed up an onside kick which kicker Adam Griffith and Humphrey executed to perfection.

“I hear about it every once in a while,” Humphrey said. “I went to Hoover, ate dinner and somebody came and shook my hand and said ‘Thank you for the onside kick.'”

That’s not a bad legacy to have.


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Posted by MagillaGuerilla
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:48 pm to
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Kieth Holcombe has been missing from practice here and there. He has type 1 diabetes. So sometimes he simply can't practice.


Back in his recruitment, they said he wore a insulin pump or of the like during games.

Not sure if that's completely accurate, as that would be liable during games to be broken...
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90742 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:55 pm to
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Like most everyone I love me some Blake Sims, but refresh my memory; did he win a title ? I seem to recall him getting exposed as an athlete playing QB, no ?


Led the team to a 2014 SEC Championship title.
23 of 27 passing 262 yds 2 TD's 0 Int's and 19 yds rushing

Not every single QB is going to win a National Championship that plays for us. As far as the playoff loss, if memory serves, I felt our lines got dominated the 2nd half and that was more the difference in the game than QB play. Admittedly, I had started on margarita's around 9 that morning on Bourbon St though and didn't stop til halftime.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
19640 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 4:01 pm to
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if memory serves,


I felt the game was quite simple. We could have used D Henry whom they literally could not stop but we didn't, he barely got any touches in the 2nd half. We went into panic mode after awhile. Def gave the Off plenty of chances to win the game.
Posted by ApeDeuce
Funkytown
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 4:05 pm to
That Sugar Bowl loss against Ohio State was a team-loss. Bad playcalling / Poor gameplanning / Poor Execution / Injuries to key players (Yeldon/Ragland/Collins)

Posted by MagillaGuerilla
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 4:38 pm to
One of the few games I felt Bama didn't do a great job of prep.

They played Cardale Jones like he was Ryan Mallett in the pocket, and he made them pay.
Posted by AjA77
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 5:43 pm to
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re: Official Fall Camp Discussion ThreadPosted on 8/11/16 at 2:54 pm to PowHound quote: Bateman has a 45% Barnett has a 40% Hurts obviously would be at 15% IMHO So while Bateman is the favorite; those odds are not exactly favorable. These and the other odds solely depend on the scrimmages. If Barnett chokes like last year he is done. I'd lay claim in whoever does the scrimmage well.


re: Jalen Hurts....Starter?Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:41 pm to Cow Phunk
I think people are under estimating the pressure Hurts is now putting on B8.
Im not saying that B8 does not have the talent.
He has everything it takes to be the starter.
( I personally think that hitch he seems to have worked out a little more.Is the main concern)

B8 dropped the ball when he had his chance last year..Hopefully he take this shot he has to over take Batemen.
But what he thought was easy picking taking out bateman.Just became much harder with Hurts.

The kid Hurts is a coaches son QB..
So that playbook edge is not as big as it would seem to be.
But coming in early has allowed the Kid to make B8 notice him in the rear-view ..

All the pressure is really on B8 as Hurt is and was expected to red shirt..I think Hurt has just a good of a shot because of equal talent.
But more should realize B8 and B18 could drop the ball..
Posted by PowHound
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 6:14 pm to
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One of the few games I felt Bama didn't do a great job of prep.


In all fairness it was the first playoff, and the staff took a gamble on how to prepare. If you recall they decided to prepare for both possible teams they could have played in the first round. Reports came out behind the pay-wall that the team was exhausted both physically and mentally from having tried to prepare for two different teams.

In hindsight I'm sure CNS would like to have that one back, but a lot of his success is based on preparation so the first ever C.F.P. did not exactly play into his strength.

Also you are correct about KH. He definitely used to wear an insulin pump during H.S. ball, and I could swear I recall seeing pictures on Tider Insider during his first camp wearing the device but I could be mistaken. Not sure if he still wears it or not.
Posted by PowHound
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 6:36 pm to
The only reason I had Hurts behind BB by such a wide margin was simply due to CNS having never played a TF QB. Purely from a statistical standpoint that is very daunting for Hurts, and as an observer it can not be ignored. Simply put until there is precedent how can you believe it possible ?

I watched the same ADay everyone else did, and I was most impressed with Hurts out of everyone. Im not going to revisit my evaluation, but simply put he was physically, athletically, and seemingly mentally (ice cold under pressure) superior to the other QB's.

A lot of those whistle tackles were garbage vs Hurts. His numbers would have been eye popping if not for the early whistles (arm tackles at best), and the "receiver out of bounds/return inbound" penalty that killed a drive.

HOWEVER... One thing that really stood out to me from ADay that was kind of subtle.

If you recall Herby was somewhat subtly giving the nod to BB8 after having watched practices that week. I found that really interesting. He was suggesting that BB8 had what it took to take the job; he just needed to settle down, and play within the game.

Lots of debate short these scrimmages are going to be vital, and oh so telling. Can. Not. Wait.
Posted by remaster916
Alabama
Member since Oct 2012
12982 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 6:54 pm to
They did prep work for FSU and Oregon before they started preparing for Ohio St. They didn't have a lot of film on Jones either.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11761 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 7:23 pm to
This first scrimmage Saturday will go a long way toward settling the QB race. I'll bet anything Coach doesn't bother releasing QB stats from it. We will have to rely on observations from our on site people. The keys will be does Bateman continue to play like a deer in the headlights? Does BB8 continue to do his best Brett Favre imitation, playing recklessly and taking gambles instead of taking care of the ball? Can Hurts stand head and shoulders above the other two to force the staff's hand to turn it over to him? However those three questions get answered will nearly settle the issue. The coaches will have to start divvying up the first team reps soon and when that happens, the pecking order starts to solidify.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
12734 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 7:39 pm to
I was listening to Cecil Hurt today and he made it sound like it would be C Bateman or J Hurts. That Saban has a history of going with experience. We know we have WRs, RBs if we have to run, and a D that should keep it close. But the decision right now is that does he go with the experience or Hurts who will be the future of the program. He compared it to a NFL team with a solid returning(veteran) QB or the 1st round draft pick you are going to build the program around.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11761 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 7:50 pm to
That's not a bad analogy, but the returning veteran is like Jay Cutler and the rookie is Jameis Winston. You know Cutler is not getting you anywhere by himself and you have to have an awful lot of things go just right to win a championship with him. You also know that Winston is probably going to make enough rookie mistakes to keep you out of the playoffs, but the experience will be invaluable in a year or two as his upside is tremendous. So do you play Cutler (Bateman) until things go south hoping you can muddle through to the playoffs and steal a title? And if things go bad enough, do you then throw Winston (Hurts) out there to learn the job? Or do you take your lumps now with Winston (Hurts) building for the future with the long shot of getting some breaks along the way and winning now with him?
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 7:55 pm to
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does Bateman continue to play like a deer in the headlights


I don't believe this to be remotely accurate of Bateman's performance, even referencing last year. Dude actually played fairly solid - just didn't win the team. And by all accounts, he's had a nice spring and start to fall, enough to be QB1 if we played today.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
12734 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 7:56 pm to
Basically, but he made it sound like in his opinion that all the weapons around him and with our D that Hurts should be the guy and that it is going to be a tough decision. I know I missed maybe some of the interview but I never heard him mention BB. Again this was just Cecil's opinion.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 7:58 pm to
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So do you play Cutler (Bateman) until things go south hoping you can muddle through to the playoffs and steal a title? And if things go bad enough, do you then throw Winston (Hurts) out there to learn the job? Or do you take your lumps now with Winston (Hurts) building for the future with the long shot of getting some breaks along the way and winning now with him?


If your team is capable of winning a championship, like Alabama, then you play the guy who gives you the best chance to win. Each and every Saturday. Nothing else is logical. The "future" doesn't exist. There is only the next game.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
16144 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 8:38 pm to
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That Saban has a history of going with experience.


He also has a history of making changes that people previously assumed were rigid philosophies, molding to what is needed to win.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
16144 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 8:41 pm to
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I don't believe this to be remotely accurate of Bateman's performance, even referencing last year.


I disagree, he looked very wide eyed vs Ole Miss and crumbled. Apparently the coaches thought he was ready during game week, then the pressure of the game took over.
Posted by PowHound
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Member since Jul 2014
7184 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 9:10 pm to
Thats interesting Cecil would go out on a limb like that. Here is the thing though... Rodney Orr is very high on Hurts also.

Ive followed Orr over at TI for years, and he is not one to pump sunshine, or over-hype a player, but its seems like he has struggled to hide his man-crush on Hurts.


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