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re: Official Fall Camp Discussion Thread - Who Wants to Wear Out That Trojan arse?

Posted on 9/1/16 at 11:14 am to
Posted by mre
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 11:14 am to
Any time.
Posted by TideWarrior
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 11:16 am to
quote:

he interesting thing is that in order to go nickel, they take out their NT and bring in a corner


When they convert from the 5-2 base it becomes a 2-5-4 formation. It originally was designed to stop the spread offenses especially with multiple WRs. This allows them to play very simple in their base and nickel packages. The real challenge is our Fr RT will have to contain that rushing DE all game. Their DC is also notorious for running a 1-5-5 that disguises what they are doing until the last minute. It allows them to quickly go from their base to their nickel packages.

The main concern for USC though will be depth and that is something I think they lack for this formation. They may well look good early in the game but I think the 2nd half we pull away.
Posted by prevatt33
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:31 pm to
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When they convert from the 5-2 base it becomes a 2-5-4 formation.


Thanks for jumpng into the Xs and Os discussion. I love this kind of stuff.

However, I can't in good conscience call it a 2-5-4. Sure, there are only 2 hands on the ground, but you have, on every play, 2 DEs rushing the edge and 4 bodies on the line of scrimmage. You do not have 5 linebackers on the field. There are 2 Tackles, 2 Ends, 2 LBs, 3 Corners, and 2 Safeties - all lined up in what amounts to a 4-2-5. For me, the fact that their DEs don't have their hands on the ground is irrelevant given that they NEVER drop back in pass coverage. IMO, it's a 4-2-5 that can become 4-3-4 if the Safety lines up in the box.

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The main concern for USC though will be depth and that is something I think they lack for this formation.


They have a lot more depth in the secondary than the Dline or Lb core.
This post was edited on 9/1/16 at 1:32 pm
Posted by T Rey WI
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 3:24 pm to
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"Pretty good source says Blake Barnett will start Saturday. Kiffin's call.


Curiosity question and QB and WR options. If Robert Foster (projected as a starter) is number 8 and Blake Barnett is also number 8 does anyone else see a small issue in so far as who is allowed to play and when. Any "insider info" on who (BB8) would have to change his number and to what?

Maybe this has been discussed and I just missed it. Did Foster change his number to 1 or something?
Posted by Rizzy
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 3:30 pm to
I could be wrong but I think Robert Foster already changed his number from #8 to #1
Posted by T Rey WI
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 4:00 pm to
THX
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 4:23 pm to
Back from ban land eh
Posted by TideWarrior
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 4:31 pm to
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4-3-4 if the Safety lines up in the box.



This is what he did with Su'a Cravens and why Cravens was a freshman All-American. He loves to bring up that safety, but I am not sure he has the guns to be as aggressive as he wants on D.

quote:

They have a lot more depth in the secondary than the Dline or Lb core.




That is why I said as a USC fan I would be worried. I am not sure their front 7 of theirs can sustain what we throw at them for 4 qtrs.
Posted by leftshark49
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 4:41 pm to
I'm so fired up for college football!! We are the defending national champs, we are still stacked at every position, and we kick off against USCw! What a time to be alive

GET YOUR ARSE IN GEAR GUMPS!!!
Posted by T Rey WI
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 5:16 pm to
Never been to ban land in so far as I know... check that, I was banned once upon a time for a short while for mentioning TSWSRN.
Posted by OldPete
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 5:53 pm to
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Yea, like I said a few days ago, my dude doesn't generally tell me stuff that's wrong. I'm pretty positive it's Barnett.

Gonna be interesting to see who trots out there. A Bama reporter on a local sports talk show here mentioned today that his sources were fairly confident that Bateman would start...
Posted by MagillaGuerilla
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 6:06 pm to
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I was banned once upon a time for a short while for mentioning TSWSRN.


We've all been there
Posted by mrbroker
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 6:07 pm to
I call BS on Blake starting over Coop at this point. I would be shocked if Batemen does not start. NS is a creature of habit. I think both will play just like we have the last few years with an unproven first year QB. Now who finishes the game is another story.
Posted by sunseeker
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 6:29 pm to
Bateman is going in dry. He will be dangerous on the rollout run/pass option we put in for this year.
Posted by bbeck
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 7:05 pm to
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A Bama reporter on a local sports talk show here mentioned today that his sources were fairly confident that Bateman would start

Have a hard time believing anyone with "sources." A week ago Hurts was the best thing since sliced bread and was getting hype to start.

Hell, the kid may redshirt this year
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 8:27 pm to
Bateman is Dobbs bad. Why start him? Why even play him at all?
Posted by PowHound
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 8:54 pm to
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I don't have a choice. Mrs Bill has me trying to catch up on Grey's Anatomy season 5 Thursday, says we need the quality time. So she will probably password secure all the other channels but Lifetime.


Somebody downvoted your arse for that.

I had a good laugh though Brosky just so you know somebody appreciates your comedic genius.

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Posted by _Hurricane_
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 9:21 pm to
I wasn't the only one thinking that Cooper plays like Dobbs??
Posted by bamaqna
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 1:28 am to
Put Bateman in the first few series then let Barnett play then when the game is out if reach put Hurts in so he can wreck whats left of USC
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 2:42 am to
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Bateman is Dobbs bad. Why start him? Why even play him at all?



I don't know. Maybe it's because Saban thinks otherwise? And here lately he's done pretty well when picking the QB who gives us the best chance to win.
This post was edited on 9/2/16 at 2:42 am
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