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Posted on 1/4/25 at 3:18 pm to Lg
Is Roberts coming back or out of eligibility? He was strong last year but regressed this season though sounds like he was banged up all's season.
Posted on 1/4/25 at 4:40 pm to IB4bama
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Our running back is average at best. Our running game is probably below average
The pass opens up the run game in DeBoer's system.
Dillon Johnson almost doubled his career rushing yards he had in 3 years at MissSt during his only year at UW with DeBoer. His injury played a part in them losing to Michigan.
DeBoer doesn't need a great back. He needs a serviceable one. BAMA has more than serviceable backs. DeBoer needs a qb. The backs will eat.
This post was edited on 1/4/25 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 1/5/25 at 2:57 am to Diego Ricardo
Michigan dominated our offense including the line. This offense has no clue how to handle blitzes.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 3:05 am to ETT2001
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Is Roberts coming back or out of eligibility? He was strong last year but regressed this season though sounds like he was banged up all's
Also struggled this year because he doesn't match Deboer offense requires, they pull the guards a lot, and he struggled pulling and getting on his man. He is an inside people mover, not an athletic guard you want to pull and require him to get on his block in space.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:16 am to PBD4BAMA
No one wants to admit it, but Alabama started losing its identity when we started chasing bright shiny things on offense. We have become what we used to laugh at in the Big12 - soft offenses and defenses that get pushed around. When was the last time on 3rd and 2 you just knew our OL was going to fire out, knock the other team's dicks in the dirt, and pick up the necessary yardage? Conversely, when was the last time on short yardage you were absolutely sure our DL was going to whip their asses and stone them on the goal line? Iron sharpens iron. When you face a tough, physical OL every day in practice it makes you tough. Alabama's offensive philosophy is as much to blame as anything on our slide from prominence.
What's the point of recruiting 325# earth movers if you're just going to set them on their haunches in a 2-point stance - nevermind the fact your OTs are bowed back 3 yards off the line of scrimmage - and let the DL tee off on them? Whenever I see us in the shotgun on short/goal line situations I just want to put a .45 round into my TV. Our RB is waiting on his heels for the hand-off. Backside edge pressure has all day to run down the back from behind. The shotgun is a horrible base offense; especially for teams with superior physical talent.
What's the point of recruiting 325# earth movers if you're just going to set them on their haunches in a 2-point stance - nevermind the fact your OTs are bowed back 3 yards off the line of scrimmage - and let the DL tee off on them? Whenever I see us in the shotgun on short/goal line situations I just want to put a .45 round into my TV. Our RB is waiting on his heels for the hand-off. Backside edge pressure has all day to run down the back from behind. The shotgun is a horrible base offense; especially for teams with superior physical talent.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:26 am to SoFla Tideroller
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When was the last time on 3rd and 2 you just knew our OL was going to fire out, knock the other team's dicks in the dirt, and pick up the necessary yardage?
2020. Najee and that line was as reliable as it gets.
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Whenever I see us in the shotgun on short/goal line situations I just want to put a .45 round into my TV. Our RB is waiting on his heels for the hand-off. Backside edge pressure has all day to run down the back from behind. The shotgun is a horrible base offense; especially for teams with superior physical talent.
They're guilty of this in the NFL now as well. 3rd or 4th and 1, line up in the shotgun. I see teams so it every week.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:39 am to SoFla Tideroller
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No one wants to admit it, but Alabama started losing its identity when we started chasing bright shiny things on offense. We have become what we used to laugh at in the Big12
This... 1000%
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:45 am to Chad4Bama
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Need a new OL coach.
Not at all convinced of that.
He inherited what he had and what he ended up with was:
LT: came in overweight and injured all year
LG: future NFL guy
C: future NFL guy
RG: overweight injured all year
RT: overweight and injured
Then you factor in QB play. Milroe couldn’t adjust protection, couldn’t audible and couldn’t hurt opposing defenses with hot routes.
At that point you’ve put the OL in an impossible situation. Even the 2020 OL would have trouble because 5 aren’t ever going to be able to block 7 if your QB can’t punish the 4 that are back in coverage.
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 9:08 am
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:56 am to tide06
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Then you factor in QB play. Milroe couldn’t adjust protection, couldn’t audible and couldn’t hurt opposing defenses with hot routes.
At that point you’ve put the OL in an impossible situation. Even the 2020 OL would have trouble at that point because 5 aren’t ever going to be able to block 7 if your QB can’t punish the 4 that are back in coverage.
Perfect summary. Piss-poor QB play also put a big, fat magnifying glass on issues that may have been minor or at least not as devastating as they ended up being for the OLine.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:57 am to tide06
tide06 is right, I do not think is immediately obvious that the problem is coaching. 3 of the 5 linemen were overweight and playing through injuries for essentially the entire season.
Additionally, some of the worst offenses were almost certainly not coached but just problems with the player's focus and attention to detail. For example, it was plainly said that the critical strip sack fumble in the Vanderbilt game conceded by Pritchett was 100% caused by Pritchett not being in the correct stance pre-snap because he was too busy celebrating when the hurry up signal was given. He was late to get set and was not in the correct setup for the protection call.
Pritchett was simply too focused on spreading herpes around Tuscaloosa to get ready to play the game of football. Understandable, many such cases.
Additionally, some of the worst offenses were almost certainly not coached but just problems with the player's focus and attention to detail. For example, it was plainly said that the critical strip sack fumble in the Vanderbilt game conceded by Pritchett was 100% caused by Pritchett not being in the correct stance pre-snap because he was too busy celebrating when the hurry up signal was given. He was late to get set and was not in the correct setup for the protection call.
Pritchett was simply too focused on spreading herpes around Tuscaloosa to get ready to play the game of football. Understandable, many such cases.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 9:06 am to SoFla Tideroller
You can 100% run effectively out of the shotgun.
Look at the way Heupel has used spread shotgun concepts to create spacing and put defenders in conflict.
In fact if paired with a QB who can effectively adjust protection and hit hot routes it’s the best balance of run/pass optimization outside the red zone.
But I agree unequivocally that in short field situations shotgun formations are schematically inferior to being under center or pistol formations.
Look at the way Heupel has used spread shotgun concepts to create spacing and put defenders in conflict.
In fact if paired with a QB who can effectively adjust protection and hit hot routes it’s the best balance of run/pass optimization outside the red zone.
But I agree unequivocally that in short field situations shotgun formations are schematically inferior to being under center or pistol formations.
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 9:12 am
Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:38 am to tide06
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He inherited what he had and what he ended up with was: LT: came in overweight and injured all year LG: future NFL guy C: future NFL guy RG: overweight injured all year RT: overweight and injured
So you’re saying that LG hasn’t been a fat slob the last two years? If you are going to mention overweight, he is at the top of the chart. And I’m not sure the C is a future NFL guy due to his (lack of) size.
Roberts might have been the best of the group late last season, but he was hurt all year. He may have the highest NFL ceiling of the group.
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 10:39 am
Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:42 am to dominantD
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I’m not sure the C is a future NFL guy
He absolutely is.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:46 am to CrimsonBoz
I believe Ryan Kelly came to Bama as a 3 star, and he sure turned out to be a good player in college as well as the NFL.
Perhaps the staff could hit the Midwest states for more.
Perhaps the staff could hit the Midwest states for more.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:46 am to CrimsonBoz
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He absolutely is.
Not questioning his ability at all. Just the fit at the next level. They refer to it as the next level for a reason.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 11:14 am to Amarillo Tide
Thing that kills me is despite being that size they dont maul guys in the run game either. So they provide no true benefit.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 11:14 am to CrimsonBoz
If the OL is heavier and lacks the agility to function in the preferred offense structure, there is an issue before they get on the field. If the OL is attempting to block in space when they are built to be road graders, they are opened up for shoulder and lower leg injuries at a higher rate. They are reaching where their arms/legs are not aligned properly for impact and change of direction.
If the line does not have the speed and agility to block the designed system, they tend to start cheating in their stance to help get to where they need to be more quickly. That shows up in film and the DC and players have play clues to adjust based on prior to the snap.
If the QB is giving clues as to run or pass before the snap, the DC and players can have pregame adjustments set to take away/disrupt the planned plays.
If the QB is only capable of certain types of plays, the others can be ignored. The DC and players can force the QB into actions that the QB is not good at doing.
If the QB tends to keep the ball instead of read the mesh point, the DC and players can "cheat" their reactions toward what they know is the likely choice the QB will make.
The RB is no longer a true running threat. A read option is no longer a threat to make the DL chose between a give or a QB run. The WR are no longer able to use a full route tree and the DB's can funnle them into tighter windows. The WR can be pressed at the LOS and pushed off of the routes needed to mach what the QB can do. DB's can key on shorter area moves the WR would normally be ready to make and get to the catch mesh point at the same time as the WR.
90+% of the offensive issues come down to a QB that cannot function and an OL by lack of agility that cannot do what the preferred play call for.. The the defense knows what the offense is going to do before the snap and is quicker than the OL because they know what is coming.
Does any of that sound familiar to what we all saw on the field?
If the line does not have the speed and agility to block the designed system, they tend to start cheating in their stance to help get to where they need to be more quickly. That shows up in film and the DC and players have play clues to adjust based on prior to the snap.
If the QB is giving clues as to run or pass before the snap, the DC and players can have pregame adjustments set to take away/disrupt the planned plays.
If the QB is only capable of certain types of plays, the others can be ignored. The DC and players can force the QB into actions that the QB is not good at doing.
If the QB tends to keep the ball instead of read the mesh point, the DC and players can "cheat" their reactions toward what they know is the likely choice the QB will make.
The RB is no longer a true running threat. A read option is no longer a threat to make the DL chose between a give or a QB run. The WR are no longer able to use a full route tree and the DB's can funnle them into tighter windows. The WR can be pressed at the LOS and pushed off of the routes needed to mach what the QB can do. DB's can key on shorter area moves the WR would normally be ready to make and get to the catch mesh point at the same time as the WR.
90+% of the offensive issues come down to a QB that cannot function and an OL by lack of agility that cannot do what the preferred play call for.. The the defense knows what the offense is going to do before the snap and is quicker than the OL because they know what is coming.
Does any of that sound familiar to what we all saw on the field?
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 11:30 am
Posted on 1/5/25 at 11:15 am to rolltideroyalty
There were a few good plays in pass protection. But let’s not twist it to just say Jalen is bad. The o line was getting whipped all day by Michigan backups. That’s pathetic
Posted on 1/5/25 at 11:59 am to dominantD
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So you’re saying that LG hasn’t been a fat slob the last two years? If you are going to mention overweight, he is at the top of the chart
Booker was 1st team AA and is being mocked as a mid 1st rd guy and the first OG off the board so I’d say he’s pretty well thought of nationally and at the next level.
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And I’m not sure the C is a future NFL guy due to his (lack of) size.
He was Pac12 1st team and freshman all-American at UW, then came to Bama and was preseason 1st team AA and ended the year 2nd team all-American by the football writers this year. He will 100% be drafted whenever he decides to go pro. He’s the textbook C for a DeBoer offense.
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