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Posted on 2/22/22 at 11:03 am to In Hsv
Posted on 2/22/22 at 11:03 am to In Hsv
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If you don't mind, what is your profession?
I'm a CPA. I am involved in audits of municipalities as my primary job function, as well as consulting for municipalities related to processes and procedures.
This post was edited on 2/22/22 at 11:07 am
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Posted on 2/22/22 at 11:10 am to imjustafatkid
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It's because of NASA and Redstone Arsenal. That isn't in question whatsoever. My argument is the state would be just fine without those things, and so far no one in this thread has presented any evidence otherwise.
So just remove all the top engineering jobs in the state and everything will be just fine? Do you have any evidence to support this statement
Posted on 2/22/22 at 11:55 am to MoarKilometers
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So just remove all the top engineering jobs in the state and everything will be just fine? Do you have any evidence to support this statement
Yes the state would survive just fine. Huntsville certainly wouldn't be as big as it is, but I'm not sure why you think that would be a huge problem.
If y'all want to vote for people who will beg the federal government for scraps, then go for it. After the past two years, I think it's pretty easy to see how that can turn on poorly based solely on the whims of whomever is president.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 12:06 pm to MoarKilometers
I am not saying you are right or wrong, and honestly I don't even live in Alabama. But, I will say this I am a industrial supplier for NASA, the Army portion of the Arsenal, and all of the smaller NASA affiliated businesses on that base and bases all over the east cost. If things continue as they are your state elected officials wont mean a hill of beans to the engineering jobs with NASA in terms of launch or space. You see there are some new names coming on to the scene out there taking over at least the space portion. I can tell you from a first hand account Relativity (space X) and Blue Origin are taking over out there. A few days after the presidential election I received a call from a close constituent out there that claims that the Biden administration plans to almost refocus NASA from space to "climate change". Since then I have seen multiple engineers jump ship to the private space companies. This is just from my experience out and the ones I work closely with on a daily basis..so take it for what it is worth.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 12:10 pm to imjustafatkid
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Yes the state would survive just fine. Huntsville certainly wouldn't be as big as it is, but I'm not sure why you think that would be a huge problem.
So what you're saying is you have exactly 0 evidence to back your claim.
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If y'all want to vote for people who will beg the federal government for scraps, then go for it. After the past two years, I think it's pretty easy to see how that can turn on poorly based solely on the whims of whomever is president.
Not an alabama voter, but my mom's side came to Florida via NASA/(McDonnell) Douglas. Titusville to cocoa beach would turn into a much worse shite hole if federal dollars were removed from the area. And that's with tourism money (beaches + the mouse) Huntsville just doesn't have.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 12:11 pm to footstepsfalco
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A few days after the presidential election I received a call from a close constituent out there that claims that the Biden administration plans to almost refocus NASA from space to "climate change".
The Obama admin was doing this, so I would not be surprised.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 12:14 pm to footstepsfalco
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Since then I have seen multiple engineers jump ship to the private space companies.
Most of which are still federally subsidized/funded in one way or another. There lies the rub, unfortunately.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 12:30 pm to imjustafatkid
So what industries that have no federal financial support would drive the Alabama economy under your scenario?
Posted on 2/22/22 at 1:08 pm to In Hsv
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So what industries that have no federal financial support would drive the Alabama economy under your scenario?
This is a non sequitur. Industries that "need" federal financial support should simply not exist. That would be capitalism.
Why are you of the belief that industries need federal support in order to survive in Alabama?
This post was edited on 2/22/22 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 2/22/22 at 4:26 pm to imjustafatkid
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Alabama has been a Democrat state for most of its existence.
The Democrats of old are the Republicans of today. Really same party. Shorty Price, who used to dance (maybe drink heavily) at Bama games used to run for governor and finish second to Wallace - ahead of the Republican. The Republicans then were seen as Yankees, the party of Lincoln, and Southern governors like Wallace won by continuing to fight the Civil War, this time over integration. It was a miracle that Guy Hunt won as a Republican in 1986, the first Republican win since Reconstruction.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 5:41 pm to imjustafatkid
We exist in a world economy where other countries industries are government supported to become more competitive. Steel, agriculture, banking , automotive, education and many others have and do receive government subsidies. Actually I struggle to think of any that do not.
It's not that I support government interference, I just think we are way past being able to change the norm. Wasted energy that sounds great but won't happen.
It's not that I support government interference, I just think we are way past being able to change the norm. Wasted energy that sounds great but won't happen.
This post was edited on 2/22/22 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 2/22/22 at 9:32 pm to AbSnopes
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It was a miracle that Guy Hunt won as a Republican in 1986, the first Republican win since Reconstruction.
It's amazing that you wrote this sentence, but still started with this conclusion:
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The Democrats of old are the Republicans of today.
If the first quote is true, the second quote can't be.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 9:34 pm to In Hsv
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We exist in a world economy where other countries industries are government supported to become more competitive.
Our country became the best in the world because we were the opposite. We will only continue to be the best in the world if we get back to that.
ETA: I will admit that Trump used tariffs in a way to level the playing field for our industries internationally. I've never seen a federal government intervention into the economy actually work properly before then. I don't think we should be operating like the exception will suddenly become the rule though.
This post was edited on 2/22/22 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 2/22/22 at 11:00 pm to Snout Spout
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This. Shelby has done a good job of working the system to get good things for Alabama. Britt is the most likely to continue that. We don't need a do-nothing grandstander.
Ill take the do-nothing grandstander over uniparty placeholders
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:04 pm to imjustafatkid
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So just remove all the top engineering jobs in the state and everything will be just fine? Do you have any evidence to support this statement
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Yes the state would survive just fine
Here we go again!
You go from not needing any federal money to "the state would survive just fine.
Sleepy Joe Biden could really use you to help write his crap for him.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:09 pm to lechateau
quote:We already have one of them up there now.
Ill take the do-nothing grandstander over uniparty placeholders
You don't have a clue as to all the things that Shelby has done for the entire state.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:13 am to coachcrisp
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You don't have a clue as to all the things that Shelby has done for the entire state.
People keep saying this...the only politicians that did good for me were the founding fathers of this country who wrote and signed the Constitution. I dont need Richard Shelby to lift a finger for me. Im sure he secured billion of federal funding for Alabama that is now used as a leash to keep our state in line. I dont need NASA or federal projects to put food on my table and Alabamians didnt need all that before Richard Shelby.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:20 am to coachcrisp
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You go from not needing any federal money to "the state would survive just fine.
Sleepy Joe Biden could really use you to help write his crap for him.
Wow guy. You're a real idiot. My response there was perfectly in line with the question asked...and also totally in libe with your comment.
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not needing any federal money to "the state would survive just fine."
These statements are the same!
Alabama surviving just fine without federal money is exactly what I've been saying the entire thread.
At this point I'm thinking you may need some English language classes. You clearly do not know the language well enough to identify what is or isn't a contradiction.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 9:18 am
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:24 am to lechateau
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People keep saying this...the only politicians that did good for me were the founding fathers of this country who wrote and signed the Constitution. I dont need Richard Shelby to lift a finger for me. Im sure he secured billion of federal funding for Alabama that is now used as a leash to keep our state in line. I dont need NASA or federal projects to put food on my table and Alabamians didnt need all that before Richard Shelby.
Given what's happening in the Ukraine, would we want a typical warmonger, DC politician, Richard Shelby/John McCain/Mitt Romney/Chuck Schumer/etc-type in office right now, or a Trump-style isolationist Republican?
Maybe that's more on the nose for our more mentally challenged posters.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 8:26 am
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:37 am to imjustafatkid
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Maybe that's more on the nose for our more mentally challenged posters.
I mean, I understand where they are coming from. A lot of people have hitched their wagons to the federal money that comes in to this state and many many people have gotten very rich from it. I havent. If Huntsville were just a sleepy little town, it wouldnt be a big deal to me. If we didnt have people moving here in droves, id still be just fine.
There is a cost to goodies acquired from DC. Id argue we havent even begun to really pay that cost. We have little sovereignty as a state when the federal government has the ability to pull a massive rug out from underneath us. Id much rather have a state that brings in opportunity because we a business friendly, have low taxes and regulations and have nice, hardworking people.
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