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re: Keelon Russell Will Be The Starter
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:06 pm to 1BamaRTR
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:06 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Jones
In what world was Mac a game manager? He threw for 4500 yards and 41 TDs. He averaged MORE ypg than Bryce during his Heisman year. Even Bennett wasn’t the game manager in 2022 like he was in 2021. He had over 4300 yards and 37 TDs.
You know something all those QBs outside of Mac also had? Even the Stetson Bennett, Will Howard, and JJ McCarthy? ELITE defenses. Many of them also had ELITE OLs. Plus consistently disciplined teams that don’t rack up 10 penalties a game
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Hurts(He was the starter that year)
Him playing like a game manager would’ve cost Bama the national title if not for Tua.
Jones was not an athletic freak. Nobody was making threads about Mac Jones as a freshman. He had a great senior year...he also had maybe the best receiver corps of all time and a solid Oline...and a solid RB crew...and a great OC.
Very good player as senior, not an elite QB
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:09 pm to Bear88
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So zero NCs will be won Listen those were great players but if you look at Bama's championships...they were always won with the "game manager" type QBs
Tua kinda played a big part in a NC
He also played a big part of the NC that was lost. Love Tua, great player...but Bama put a lot of the offense on his shoulders...and when he had a bad game against Clemson it was lights out.
Im not anti having a great QB...but its nonsense to equate pure talent at QB to winning. History just doesnt support it other than a few outliers. I think the key is if you have a great QB...still having a balanced offense. This is very hard for coaches to do.
Bryce Young, as great as he was...had a huge negative which was zero fault of his own...but Bama became a soft as butter air raid team and totally lost its original Saban identity. Never got it back
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:15 pm to Teague
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It's also weird that some people think Ty is a "game manager."
Good grief, you can be a "game manager" and be damn good. AJ McCarron was one of the best college QBs in the last 30 years and I considered his play to be "game manager" kind of play.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:20 pm to scottydoesntknow
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Jones was not an athletic freak.
The only athletic QB freak Bama has had in the past 20 years was Milroe, who was arguably the worst QB of the Saban years.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:21 pm to InkStainedWretch
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There are some in our fan base who still get a bug in their BVDs if one player “gets above his raisin’” so to speak and isn’t just one cog on the team, no more or less important than any other cog because that has always been “the Bama tradition.”
I guess but history shows that this is the most ideal situation for winning a NC. I mean sure there are a lot of folks that love "star power" as well. They love seeing one player dominate. I prefer the strategy aspect of sports which lends more to systematic and corporate success rather than individuals dominating
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:24 pm to Teague
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Jones was not an athletic freak.
The only athletic QB freak Bama has had in the past 20 years was Milroe, who was arguably the worst QB of the Saban years.
Bryce Young was small but had amazing athleticism. I think this would be the comparison to Russell(except taller)
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:27 pm to scottydoesntknow
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Jones was not an athletic freak.
Neither was Peyton Manning. No I’m not saying Mac is Manning, but not being an athletic freak has nothing to do with what constitutes a game manager
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he also had maybe the best receiver corps of all time and a solid Oline...and a solid RB crew...and a great OC
NO frickING WAY?!?!
You’re telling me having a great supporting is the actual important part???
Because it’s not if a QB is a game manager or not. Alabama still doesn’t win the NCG in 2018 if Greg McElroy is the QB. Nor would they have won it in 2017 with Hurts playing like a GM against UGA. Nor would UGA beat OSU in the semifinals in 2022 if Bennett played like a GM.
I’m not arguing at all for KR to be the starter this year nor do I think he will be, but the GM argument is stupid. Bryce wins the NCG in 2021 if he had the supporting cast (including elite defenses) AJ, Greg, or Coker had or even our 2 star WRs don’t get hurt. Yet you include Bryce as part of your argument
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:46 pm to BasedCrimson
Having read all the comments, I know neither who will start nor who I want to start. I just wish Carolina had given up on Bryce and traded him to the Steelers. I think he's a solid qb who needs to be on a better team. I know he's small and may not ever be worth of his draft position, but I think he can make some throws.
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:56 pm to scottydoesntknow
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I guess but history shows that this is the most ideal situation for winning a NC.
Does it though? Matt Leinart, Vince Young, Tim Tebow, Cam Newton, Jameis Winston, Deshaun Watson, Tua Tagovailoa, Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow, Mac Jones, and JJ McCarthy are all 1st round picks who won Nattys in the past 20ish years. So about half the Natty winners had a 1st rounder under center.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 9:59 pm to RollTide33
Amazing all-everything QB vs a low negative play / good decisions QB that has tools and protection everywhere around him?
Coach Bryant had the view that if you were QB centric as a team, you had a single point of failure that could take a team down. Having a QB that was a leader and game manager that never got you beat was more important.
Great OL and a few high end backups always resulted in a really good OL the next year and allowed the current year team to have multiple points a failure before the team colapsed.
Great RB's, one went down or had a rough game - next up!
Great WR's - same as above.
The team is harder to break down and harder to put down when you face multiple points of failure rather than just one. Any DC worth the money he is being paid should be able to shut down at least one player.
Edit: in today's game with NIL and the portal, high end QB centric is easier to make a run as most teams no longer have 5 great OL, 2 great RB's, and 2 or 3 great WR's. Much less the depth to still be at the top multiple years in a row.
Coach Bryant had the view that if you were QB centric as a team, you had a single point of failure that could take a team down. Having a QB that was a leader and game manager that never got you beat was more important.
Great OL and a few high end backups always resulted in a really good OL the next year and allowed the current year team to have multiple points a failure before the team colapsed.
Great RB's, one went down or had a rough game - next up!
Great WR's - same as above.
The team is harder to break down and harder to put down when you face multiple points of failure rather than just one. Any DC worth the money he is being paid should be able to shut down at least one player.
Edit: in today's game with NIL and the portal, high end QB centric is easier to make a run as most teams no longer have 5 great OL, 2 great RB's, and 2 or 3 great WR's. Much less the depth to still be at the top multiple years in a row.
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 4/16/25 at 10:24 pm to scottydoesntknow
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He also played a big part of the NC that was lost. Love Tua, great player...but Bama put a lot of the offense on his shoulders...and when he had a bad game against Clemson it was lights out.
Clemson had our signals because our outgoing OC was too lazy to change them on his way out the door.
No part of that was on Tua.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 10:37 pm to Tw1st3d
With all due respect, and I revere the man and think some of his concepts are absolutely eternal ... Coach Bryant coached a different game than is played in 2025.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 6:34 am to RollTide33
Tua didnt win a championship where he started the whole season. Leinart, Jones, McCarthy were game manager type QBs. They were very good at it. Burrow really was that as well until is senior season blow up. Also Milroe will probably get drafted first round...thats not a good barometer for CFB play.
My point isnt even that its somehow impossible to win with a great passing QB(some on your list were not that) either, its just that teams with the great NFL talents(top 5ish picks) havent been winning NCs. Some even get close(BY and CJ Stroud)...but if you add up NCs the past 15 years, its more just pretty good level QBs than allstars.
Its far better to have a balanced team than a QB dominant team. Yall can get all butthurt about it all you want to, but the scoreboards dont lie
My point isnt even that its somehow impossible to win with a great passing QB(some on your list were not that) either, its just that teams with the great NFL talents(top 5ish picks) havent been winning NCs. Some even get close(BY and CJ Stroud)...but if you add up NCs the past 15 years, its more just pretty good level QBs than allstars.
Its far better to have a balanced team than a QB dominant team. Yall can get all butthurt about it all you want to, but the scoreboards dont lie
Posted on 4/17/25 at 6:39 am to Tw1st3d
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in today's game with NIL and the portal, high end QB centric is easier to make a run as most teams no longer have 5 great OL, 2 great RB's, and 2 or 3 great WR's. Much less the depth to still be at the top multiple years in a row.
Seems based on last year that its better to get the experienced game manager type QB out of NIL.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:08 am to scottydoesntknow
We are not going to play a turnover prone qb and that is what has been going on this spring. I remember coach Superior’s first year at Florida he said the quarterback he picked was the only one who could take the snap from center and not fumble. Talent at round you and coaching are factors. One nfl scout said Mac would never have as much talent around him as he was playing with at Alabama. Then you have Gary Hollingsworth who was the 3rd string qb at Alabama with Homer Smith as the OC. Gary didn’t play any until both quarterbacks in front of him got hurt. Hollingsworth was 1 st string all sec qb. The next season Mal Moore was our OC and he wanted to change the offense and throw the ball deep.
He screwed everything up.
He screwed everything up.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:04 am to scottydoesntknow
It's not getting butthurt, it's disagreement.
You know, it is possible to disagree with someone in conversation without getting butthurt or being disagreeable.
I take Alabama sports seriously but I don't take any of the conversation here that serioiusly or, especially, personally.
This is supposed to be all in fun.
We disagree on something. Doesn't mean we have to be mad at each other. RTR.
You know, it is possible to disagree with someone in conversation without getting butthurt or being disagreeable.
I take Alabama sports seriously but I don't take any of the conversation here that serioiusly or, especially, personally.
This is supposed to be all in fun.
We disagree on something. Doesn't mean we have to be mad at each other. RTR.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 8:06 am
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:11 am to InkStainedWretch
People that use the term "butthurt" to describe people who simply disagree with them are not worth paying attention to.
The problem with a QB dominant team isn't that it's QB dominant, it's that they don't have surrounding pieces. You want the best QB you can get.
The problem with a QB dominant team isn't that it's QB dominant, it's that they don't have surrounding pieces. You want the best QB you can get.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 8:14 am
Posted on 4/17/25 at 11:11 am to scottydoesntknow
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Good grief, you can be a "game manager" and be damn good.
Yes, I've made that point in the other QB thread. But, the posts I'm responding to here are using "game manager " to mean ONLY a game manager. The best QBs ARE game managers, in addition to being skilled.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 11:12 am
Posted on 4/17/25 at 12:50 pm to Teague
Really great quarterbacks are generally pretty damn good game managers, Is someone like Tom Brady running the two-minute drill not game management at the highest level?
Again, I just think there’s a reluctance for some in our fan base to have any one person, especially a quarterback, be the face of our offense.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them are still pissed off about us having Heisman Trophy winners.
Again, I just think there’s a reluctance for some in our fan base to have any one person, especially a quarterback, be the face of our offense.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them are still pissed off about us having Heisman Trophy winners.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 4/17/25 at 1:31 pm to InkStainedWretch
Just my opinion, I'd classify fewer of the Saban era quarterbacks as game managers than perhaps some. Sure, they may have not went in the first two rounds (starter to potential starter range picks for a QB) but that was not to say that they were not playmakers within the offense.
McCarron could make the throws and was perhaps the prettiest deep ball thrower at Alabama I'd seen in my years until Tua came along.
Guys like Blake Sims and Jake Coker needed to be managed due to limitations but they weren't really game managers. They loved making loose plays or tucking the ball for a run.
JPW and GMac? Yeah, those guys were game managers. Not particularly gifted throwers and okay to mediocre athletes. They had to just run the plays and hit the throws they could hit.
McCarron could make the throws and was perhaps the prettiest deep ball thrower at Alabama I'd seen in my years until Tua came along.
Guys like Blake Sims and Jake Coker needed to be managed due to limitations but they weren't really game managers. They loved making loose plays or tucking the ball for a run.
JPW and GMac? Yeah, those guys were game managers. Not particularly gifted throwers and okay to mediocre athletes. They had to just run the plays and hit the throws they could hit.
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