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Posted on 10/7/24 at 7:38 am to Joka2kold
Posted on 10/7/24 at 7:38 am to Joka2kold
We got zero pressure on the QB from my seat on the couch. Their 5 easily blocked our 4 rushers. If we blitzed it was seldom and they had a number of 3rd and longs. We made few, if any adjustments. That is a coach thing right?
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Posted on 10/7/24 at 7:45 am to Joka2kold
We have much more of an offense problem than a defense problem. Even when we score, it's on huge chunk plays. Our defense never gets to rest as our offense methodically marches down the field.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 8:07 am to mrbroker
Q Robinson and Qua Russaw did
Posted on 10/7/24 at 8:11 am to imjustafatkid
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Our defense never gets to rest as our offense methodically marches down the field.
Well unless they were tired at the start of the game on Saturday this theory doesn’t hold much water. Cuz Vandy whipped their arse from whistle to horn.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 9:11 am to labamafan
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Well unless they were tired at the start of the game on Saturday this theory doesn’t hold much water. Cuz Vandy whipped their arse from whistle to horn.
No they didn't. Vandy got 8 drives (excluding the one to end the game). They scored touchdowns on only 4 of those drives, and one of those 4 drives was extended by garbage ghost penalties and missed penalties. The defense did a good job.
Our offense also only scored touchdowns on 4 of 8 drives. 1 of the other drives ended in a pick 6. 1 ended in a fumble in plus territory. 1 ended in a forward pass penalty that resulted in giving the ball to Vandy in plus territory. Both of those huge offensive mistakes (fumble and forward pass penalty) led to touchdowns for Vandy. 3 of our 8 offensive possessions led directly to putting our defense in a bad situation or directly giving points to Vandy.
The defense got no help from the offense the entire game. The longest time our offense spent on the field was about 4.5 minutes in the first quarter when they threw the pick 6 and then had a 7 play touchdown drive. That's 4.5 minutes combined for both of those offensive possessions.
That sort of boom or bust offensive scheme plays directly into the strengths of a team that uses Vandy's game plan.
ETA: Here's a great example of our defense handing this to our offense to take control of the game:
Second half starts, we score on first drive. Takes less than 4 minutes.
Vandy gets ball, our defense forces a punt. Vandy uses nearly 6 minutes.
Our offense gets a three and out, highlighted by a Milroe inexcusable forward pass penalty. Takes less than 1 minute.
Vandy gets ball on OUR 45 yard line. Scores a touchdown. Takes just over 2 minutes.
We then respond with a two minute touchdown drive, and our defense forces a field goal after a 5.5 minute Vandy drive. Our offense then fumbles the ball away in under a minute. Game was over at this point.
Our offense squandered every opportunity to gain the momentum and turn the game around. I kept thinking they'd put it together, but they just didn't.
This post was edited on 10/7/24 at 9:28 am
Posted on 10/7/24 at 9:26 am to imjustafatkid
quote:They scored on literally every drive but 2. That's 6/8. That's terrible. And the victory formation drive would have been another easy score. They converted multiple first downs there like it was nothing.
No they didn't. Vandy got 8 drives (excluding the one to end the game). They scored touchdowns on only 4 of those drives, and one of those 4 drives was extended by garbage ghost penalties. The defense did a good job.
quote:They scored a TD on 5/9 drives. They had 0.78 points per play. That's elite. Nobody in college football has averaged more than 0.78 points per play this season.
Our offense also only scored touchdowns on 4 of 8 drives.
Pinning this on the offense is just an objectively bad take.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 9:32 am to TideCPA
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They scored on literally every drive but 2. That's 6/8. That's terrible.
No it isn't. Forcing field goals when your offense puts you in a bad situation is a win.
One of the field goals was a 51 yarder even. You're lying if you say you thought the kicker who shanked an extra point after the pick 6 was going to nail that 51 yard FG.
Forcing the field goal in the second half set our offense up to take the lead while giving the defense a much-needed rest. Instead they fumbled in under a minute.
The offense squandered every shift in momentum handed to them by the defense.
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They scored a TD on 5/9 drives.
6/9 if you count the pick 6, but yes you're correct. My mistake.
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They had 0.78 points per play. That's elite. Nobody in college football has averaged more than 0.78 points per play this season.
This is actually part of the problem. Our offense can't run the clock.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 9:36 am to imjustafatkid
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The defense did a good job.
You're just lying at this point. They gave up over 400 yards of offense. They allowed Vandy to possess the ball for 42 minutes. On an average distance of 7 yards to gain on 3rd down they gave up 12 first downs including 3 touchdowns. They gave up a 36 yard touchdown on 4th down. They didn't force a single 3 and out the entire game. With the game on the line and plenty of time remaining for the offense to go win the game they couldn't get a single stop or even get Vandy to 3rd down. They routinely missed tackles and when they did tackle they got dragged for 3 or 4 extra yards.
In no universe is there an objective way to call that performance a good job. You can have your issues with the offense if you want. Objectively if any of those 3 plays you mentioned don't happen we win. But also objectively if the defense could muster up one stop or one turnover out of the 75 chances they had we win.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 9:41 am to imjustafatkid
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The defense did a good job.
I feel like maybe you just traveled here through a wormhole from another dimension where the game played out very differently, because I cannot imagine watching that debacle on Saturday and coming away thinking that the defense did a good job or that the main problem was the offense.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 9:46 am to imjustafatkid
You have to be trolling at this point. I’ve been critical of the offense and Milroe in the past. He did make a critical error with the illegal forward pass. But as a whole he and the offense were not the reason why the team got beaten. The defense has given up 784 yards of offense over the last three halves. Wommack can’t handle the big stage that he’s on and that falls on DeBoer for hiring him in the first place. His defense has been a terrible fit from the word go. I remember us giving up a long drive to Western Kentucky in the first game.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 11:40 am to imjustafatkid
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They scored touchdowns on only 4 of those drives, and one of those 4 drives was extended by garbage ghost penalties and missed penalties. The defense did a good job.
Your glasses are so Crimson colored you are blind man. I’m not being a jerk but that was the poorest defensive effort I’ve ever seen.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 1:20 pm to labamafan
One of the stats from the game to me tells everything about how poor the effort is from this defense; of the 166 yards rushing Vanderbilt gained, 112 of them were after contact. Let that sink in. The defensive philosophy is questionable, but what is not is that these defensive players will not play for Wommack.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 1:47 pm to BCBAMA
You'll see Saturday!
His defense will be aggressive from start to finish.
His defense will be aggressive from start to finish.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 1:59 pm to BCBAMA
If that’s what is happening then he needs to be let go immediately. The season is still salvageable but the decision will have to come down very quickly if we play badly again this week.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 2:05 pm to Joka2kold
I still 100% believe that DeBoer is a Top 5 coach and about as good of a hire as we could make.
Send Wommack adrift in the Pacific though
Send Wommack adrift in the Pacific though
Posted on 10/7/24 at 2:08 pm to imjustafatkid
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The defense did a good job.
Goodness gracious
Posted on 10/7/24 at 2:11 pm to bamatide07
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You have to be trolling at this point.
Nope. I'm looking at it honestly. Our defense definitely has room to improve, but they gave our offense every opportunity to win that game.
This post was edited on 10/7/24 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 10/7/24 at 2:11 pm to imjustafatkid
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The defense did a good job.
Holy shite
Posted on 10/7/24 at 2:27 pm to imjustafatkid
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Nope. I'm looking at it honestly. Our defense definitely has room to improve, but they gave our offense every opportunity to win that game.
Why do people choose to die on hills when they're objectively wrong? Why is it so hard to just say you know what after further reflection I was wrong about this. Is it an ego/pride thing?
There's no metric by which the defense Saturday could be judged good. And if they'd given the offense every opportunity to win as you so state they would have stopped Vandy's last drive and gotten us the ball back. But they couldn't even force Vandy into a 3rd down situation.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 2:31 pm to imjustafatkid
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they gave our offense every opportunity to win that game.
Minus getting any sort of crucial stop, including at the end of the game.
There is no way you can look at that game and think that the defense wasn’t the problem.
This post was edited on 10/7/24 at 2:31 pm
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