re: Jesus is so real guys!! Merry Christmas!!!

You mean like the Gullahs?

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Do you really not think that big cats existed in antiquity?

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Lions did not exist 100 million years ago when the dinosaurs were in their prime. Humans didn't exist then either. Again, does God just introduce new species every once in a while out of thin air?

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For whatever reason they were not able to survive. That is not a point that I can not see being either here nor there.

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It's very much the point. Dinosaurs supposedly died off in a major cataclysm about 65 million years ago. Were lions, humans, bears, wolves, penguins, kangaroos and koala bears all running around then?

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As for new species and God, you are trying to misrepresent the process so that it will seem absurd. No, God does not throw a new species down from heaven. He created in the beginning, and set into motion the means by which variations in kind came about.

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So you're saying that every species of animal that has ever existed lived at the same time? When did this happen?

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But, let’s consider your worldview now for a moment. Does time and random dumb chance just throw out newly formed species?

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1. Fully formed species exist now.

2. Fully formed species, including humans, reproduce fully formed descendants.

3. These descendants inherit characteristics from their parents but the process is not perfect. Mutations occur and sometimes environmental pressure makes these mutations beneficial.

4. Geological evidence points to the Earth (and life) being very, very old and that it was once quite different in the past, as many fossils we find are of species that do not exist today. It is reasonable to think that many of these species changed over a period of time, and there are "transition fossils" that support this.

What has never been observed is a deity creating a new species and introducing into the wild. In fact, we have never witnessed a deity do anything. However, we see natural forces at work all the time and until I see a deity interact in the world I live in, I am not going to assume that one is responsible for anything.

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I believe that God is an uncaused, infinite, eternal and all powerful being who existed prior to the universe and gave rise to it out of nothing. You and other atheists, which, by the way, I do not believe truly exist, would poo poo such an “unscientific” idea as that. Yet on the other hand, how do you explain origins?

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I can't explain the origins of the universe anymore than a cow in a pasture in the rain can explain why it's getting wet.

We have intellectual limits, just like the cow in a pasture and just like our ancestors who believed all kinds of things that are ignorant to us in modern times.

What is foolish is saying, "I don't fully understand why this happens, so I think God did it." But the thing is the only reason you say that has nothing to do with your intellect and everything to do with your desire to be special. You want to believe you were created and that you have a purpose and all that jazz. You don't give a shite about scientific explanations for how the Moon orbits the Earth or how the stars shine, but when it comes to evolution, you are a harsh critic - FOR EMOTIONAL REASONS.

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You are now a super naturalist, because, when have we ever seen something come from nothing...that is, just exist. At least I admit that I am a supernaturalist, and I have reasonable explanation for how order came from chaos - an intelligent, sentient and powerful being acted upon it.

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If something must exist without origin, is it more believable that it's simple gases capable of producing giant stars (which we know occurs) or that it's an omniscient, omnipowerful, omnipresent being with humanlike emotions such as love and anger?

Ockham's Razor states that the simplest answer that contains all the facts tends to be the right one and not to multiply entities beyond necessity. In that spirit, I think we should side with simple beginnings and not mysterious omnipowerful deities.

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You are starting to catch on to the flow of things. There are fauna that have outlived others.

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So all the major species existed at the same time? Humans coexisted with dinosaurs? And at what point in time did this happen? 5,000 years ago? 50 million years ago? 500 million years ago?

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I can't explain the origins of the universe anymore than a cow in a pasture in the rain can explain why it's getting wet.

We have intellectual limits, just like the cow in a pasture and just like our ancestors who believed all kinds of things that are ignorant to us in modern times.

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Mighty weird talk from someone leaning as heavily on science as you claim. Cause and effect have brought all of us, whether religious or not to many of the same conclusions about the universe. Unlike all those ancient believers who knew far less about the perfection and "wisdom" of planets and orbits, known galaxies, speed of gravity, etc. They didn't have Hubble flying through space, or working knowledge of microbiology, to mention just a few.

Nevertheless, many of those folks thought the evidence denoting intelligence overwhelmingly pointed to a creator. As many do today.

Didn't you want me to believe that science and evolution were joined at the hip? As if one didn't exist without the other. If that premise was allowed to shape the argument the reasonable conclusion would be impossible. I think it's just as wrong to confuse God and many, many, conflicting religious doctrines as one. As if they are joined at the hip.

Someone mentioned they were interested in ancient history, here's some. Before the 16th century, scientists and religion, primarily Roman Catholic, were insistent that the earth was the center of the universe. So, as they tried to explain the rotation of the stars and planets through the Milky Way the math just didn't work. The premise was just plain wrong and it never allowed either side to figure out the correct conclusions for hundreds of years.

When they both agreed that the earth simply revolved around the sun and that indeed the sun was the center of the solar system did the math finally start working.

Anyone so bias that he willingly dismisses the correct premise can't get to the right conclusion. A smart person doesn't confuse science with evolution. Nor does he dismiss God and the bible because of religion's writings and practices. Math doesn't work.

It's just the wrong premise to start with.

Evolution - I believe evolution within a species does exist. There is however no proof found on this earth of evolution of one species (or life form) into another. There is also no evidence to be found of some substance that dose not have life suddenly becoming a life form be it instantly or over an extremely long period of time. All life must have a point of origin and a catalyst to initiate that point of origin.

If you choose to believe life just happened by accident, your leap of faith is extraordinary.

If you choose to believe life was planted here a race/being from another place in the universe or another realm... you still have to be able to explain the point of origin for that "creator" race that planted us here. Good luck with that.

Genetic evolution within a species - two dogs with a simplified genetic code of AaBb mate and produce 6 pups. AaBb / AABB / aabb / AaBB / aaBB / AAbb
Each pup is a genetic evolution from the original. One pup is an almost exact copy. The 5 other pups have less genetic purity than the parents. Each generation become less pure and less complete in its genetic code. You have evolution. The problem is that each "evolved" step is less perfect, has less genetic detail, and has more genetic code flaws (abnormalities) than the previous generation. Evolution over time degrades. Environmental (survival of the fittest) impact tends to kill off the sub-species that are suitable to thrive in that environment - cleaning out some of the genetic flaws.

It is best to try always to keep the main thing the main thing.

Do you believe in God the Father and in God the Son?

Do you have a personal relationship with God the Son?

If you cannot answer yes to both of those questions, nothing else really matters.

If “lower evolved” organisms lived 100 billion years ago, by the process of the declination of genetic materials, you and I would not be having this conversation. We would be that primordial soup.

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You still haven't mentioned any specifics as to when all the species in the history of Earth appeared on the scene and coexisted. Let's start there.

You can't just say, "Evolution is bad. Bad! Bad! Bad!" You need to actually present an alternative that makes sense.

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Yes, I can. I can take "cause and effect" and prove evolution is a joke and a bad one at that. I can take math and prove evolution is statistically impossible. And do it by "scientist" own definition.

How life happened is still your problem. But if all you have is some half-azz Darwinian theory taught by university eggheads as a fact, you had better keep looking cause you just ain't there.

Look, I'll get the ball rolling. Tell the unenlightened over here why you are so adamant that once upon a time your ancestors came crawling out of a pond of organic soup?

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You still haven't answered my question. When did life appear on Earth?

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You know Mr. Evolutionist, you are deflecting like a man that doesn't believe he has the goods. I sense fear. I've insulted evolution so many times and yet not once have you been provoked to defend the fort. If you are proud enough to say it, then simply prove it.

Instead, you seek some type of confession out of me before we can talk about this idiotic theory you are grasping with both hands. Wow, did I just insult your flimsy theory once again?

I think the real big question at this point is just whether you're just going to continue to take that?

Instead, why not tell me about this "simple cell" Darwin was so sure came crawling out of the smartest organic soup known to the universe?

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Still no answer.

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Have you noticed you're not getting a lot of help from many of those who also have had to sit through a university course on the insane?

That's because you want to argue the merits of evolution based on the other choice alone. As if somehow evolution is the lesser of the two evils, therefore it miraculously becomes the truth. This ain't the presidential elections and I'm personally not interested in arguing faulty reasonings and facts on either side.

That just leaves us with your convictions. And so far that has "proven" absolutely nothing.

I’ll answer you. Life appeared on earth between 5-10 thousand years ago.