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Posted on 3/18/20 at 2:57 pm to LovetheLord
Posted on 3/18/20 at 2:57 pm to LovetheLord
The world-o-meter definitely presents a much different scenario than the CDC. That's really odd.
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 3:19 pm to LovetheLord
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The world-o-meter definitely presents a much different scenario than the CDC. That's really odd.
CDC is only reporting cases from it's tests, apparently. They also made that clear, so they aren't hiding them or anything.
Worldmeter is following the lead of CNN and others who are aggregating data from states who have their own labs + national CDC labs.
Posted on 3/18/20 at 3:38 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Thanks for that update. Explains the extra total number of cases as well.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 1:21 am to LovetheLord
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The CDC botched its early development of coronavirus test kits, according to a government email obtained by The Wall Street Journal.
Those tests could not differentiate between the novel coronavirus and lab-grade water.
The delay in coronavirus testing has forced federal, state, and local governments to accelerate their response and contain the virus without up-to-date data of how far it's spread.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:03 am to prevatt33b
WHO gives a brief each day located here.
Obviously numbers are what they are but, each states health department map may be more accurate.
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Obviously numbers are what they are but, each states health department map may be more accurate.
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:11 am to LovetheLord
That's what I told the wife to get instead of TP! Whiskey and cigars!
Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:53 pm to LovetheLord
Birmingham about to vote on ordering a shelter-in-place.
Meanwhile, Ivey just had a teleconference where her tone was supposedly different from the days before and she echoed what Trump said about getting back to work.
Nothing worse than “Copycat” leadership. We see it all the time with winter/severe weather. Unfortunately it looks like it’s occurring on both a city and state level.
Meanwhile, Ivey just had a teleconference where her tone was supposedly different from the days before and she echoed what Trump said about getting back to work.
Nothing worse than “Copycat” leadership. We see it all the time with winter/severe weather. Unfortunately it looks like it’s occurring on both a city and state level.
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:56 am to LovetheLord
The CDC is reporting only 994 deaths for covid-19 in the U.S. vs 22,000 for the seasonal flu.
Stanford's professor of epidemiology wrote this article that you should check out. I enjoyed the Rogan episode you recommend to me.
So far this season, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recorded 36 million flu cases in the U.S., with 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths.
Covid-19 stats-
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Stanford's professor of epidemiology wrote this article that you should check out. I enjoyed the Rogan episode you recommend to me.
So far this season, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recorded 36 million flu cases in the U.S., with 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths.
Covid-19 stats-
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Flu stats-
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Stanford professor of epidemiology article-
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This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 1:29 am
Posted on 3/27/20 at 8:20 am to Capstone2017
So using those numbers, that’s a 1% hospitalization rate for flu snd a mortality rate of 0.6%. And those figures are spread out over months. Typical flu season in the US runs from October to March-April. So spread those figures out over 6 months. COVID19 is hitting all at once with at least a 5% hospitalization rate and 0.8% mortality and a similar or worse contagion rate.
Again, another dumbass missing the entire point when he basically claims seasonal flu is worse. Just because he works at Stanford doesn’t mean he’s a savant.
Again, another dumbass missing the entire point when he basically claims seasonal flu is worse. Just because he works at Stanford doesn’t mean he’s a savant.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 8:41 am to Capstone2017
My wife and I had our first real discussion about isolating during this pandemic a little over 2 weeks ago. Even before the NBA shut it down. We concluded that this was going to be an individual common sense thing. Isolating was the first thing on the agenda. We didn't need a POTUS or 3 hours of CNN to convince us of what our only option was. DUCK. Whatever that means to your family based on circumstances and the unique situation you find yourself in. DUCK, regardless of what you see your boss, preacher, neighbor, relative, or good friend doing or saying in contrast. Each individual decides what that isolation or lack thereof looks like, period. That's fair, each individual will live with the consequences, or not.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:10 am to bamameister
Well said and how we should approach our lives on the whole. Never trust one source. Gather the facts from as many sources as possible and decide for yourself.
We decided to isolate except for quick trips for groceries. We are careful not to come in close contact there and "decontaminate" when we leave. Our parents are in their 80's so we are checking on them by phone but will not visit them just in case we are carriers.
We decided to isolate except for quick trips for groceries. We are careful not to come in close contact there and "decontaminate" when we leave. Our parents are in their 80's so we are checking on them by phone but will not visit them just in case we are carriers.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 1:06 pm to Capstone2017
That Stanford article is somewhat interesting, but it ignores a principle concept while discussing morbidity:
The issue is not solely the percentage of people who die from the virus compared to the seasonal flu, but the total number of people who contract the virus at the same time. The seasonal flu is a disease that spreads slowly throughout society, and so the healthcare system can handle those who need hospitalization. COVID-19 is a virus that can and does affect a very large portion of society at the same moment, given how contagious it is. That's the issue.
The seasonal flu has never crippled an entire country's healthcare system, at least not in a hundred years. COVID-19 is doing that to many countries as I write this sentence.
The issue is not solely the percentage of people who die from the virus compared to the seasonal flu, but the total number of people who contract the virus at the same time. The seasonal flu is a disease that spreads slowly throughout society, and so the healthcare system can handle those who need hospitalization. COVID-19 is a virus that can and does affect a very large portion of society at the same moment, given how contagious it is. That's the issue.
The seasonal flu has never crippled an entire country's healthcare system, at least not in a hundred years. COVID-19 is doing that to many countries as I write this sentence.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 2:45 pm to prevatt33b
Exactly.
In fact it's so contagious I dont see how we get back to complete normal until there has been a vaccine created and distributed.
In fact it's so contagious I dont see how we get back to complete normal until there has been a vaccine created and distributed.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:00 pm to PowHound
quote:This. The world needs to put their top scientists together to come up with a vaccine asap.
I dont see how we get back to complete normal until there has been a vaccine created and distributed.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:12 pm to prevatt33b
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The issue is not solely the percentage of people who die from the virus compared to the seasonal flu, but the total number of people who contract the virus at the same time. The seasonal flu is a disease that spreads slowly throughout society, and so the healthcare system can handle those who need hospitalization. COVID-19 is a virus that can and does affect a very large portion of society at the same moment, given how contagious it is. That's the issue
And once a locality or even an entire state's medical infrastructure reaches the breaking point in terms of critical care patients there will be a ripple effect that compromises treatment for other people in need of those services. Car crashes, drug overdoses, heart attacks, strokes, cancer, etc. aren't going to take a break for a few months so we can figure out this coronavirus thing.
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 3/27/20 at 6:51 pm to prevatt33b
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