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re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 12:01 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 6/11/20 at 12:01 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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It truly was a miracle. We were very much on death's door as a program, and we all knew it.
Screwing up the opportunity to hire Bobby Bowden was a huge mistake, imo.
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 12:27 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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It truly was a miracle. We were very much on death's door as a program, and we all knew it.
It makes me think our next head coach is going to have to be good enough and strong-willed enough to continue to strike respect and fear in those folks who may want the reins back.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 12:55 pm to bamameister
You make an excellent point Miester but what I’m worried about is our powers that be in 2007 were dejected, demoralized, and desperate enough to tell Coach Saban “yea coach it’s all yours this is your rodeo entirely”. But now after all this success their heads are swollen and they’re back to thinking they are invincible. They aren’t desperate anymore. The next HC might not get the leeway Saban has.
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 1:33 pm to moester75
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You make an excellent point Miester but what I’m worried about is our powers that be in 2007 were dejected, demoralized, and desperate enough to tell Coach Saban “yea coach it’s all yours this is your rodeo entirely”. But now after all this success their heads are swollen and they’re back to thinking they are invincible. They aren’t desperate anymore. The next HC might not get the leeway Saban has.
I agree. It's why not every successful coach needs to apply for the Alabama job. So many similarities between coach Bryant and coach Saban beyond their unique gift of understanding human nature and getting the best out of their players. They both were control freaks that demanded things done one way, theirs. Saban's level of success here is just stupid. It defies the laws of football physics and it keeps law and order in the ranks.
We've been through the wilderness and I don't ever want to see it again. I admit I watched with some sense of Karma and glee with the total dysfunction of Tennessee's divisive and political BOT as they systematically botched the sexual assault case they settled in court, the firing of the great pumpkin, multiple head coaching searches, and AD, HC, and president hires as well. They were destroying each other in the press and their football program has paid the ultimate price. So they've now wandered in that same wilderness for almost 15 years now.
Just another cautionary tale that when we have it wrong at the top this stuff can go south in a hurry. I hope with coach Saban and Byrne's influence the good guys are much smarter than that.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 1:54 pm to bamameister
I just don’t want to let Dabo use us to get another five for six million a year out of Clemson. Don’t even let that happen by not even offering his silly arse. I’m done with that dude after he’s been running his suck and bashing us. Also the Apple Watches situation. I’m paying close attention up here in Maryland at how well Coach Locksley is doing. He’s killing it in the recruiting trail.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:04 pm to moester75
But after an auspicious start, Locks pretty much crashed and burned in year 1. Maybe he turns it around, I'm watching as well. But right now, he's got a long way to go to just get to respectable.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:30 pm to moester75
Dabo and a program like Clemson are made for each other. He'd be a bad fit at all the premier programs because he's too much of a whiny, undignified goober. Basically the redneck version of Jim Harbaugh. We shouldn't try to hire him, nor should he leave Clemson unless and until they don't want him anymore.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:06 pm to moester75
If Jeff Scott has success, I can see him being choice #6 on our list. We won't obviously give Dabo a look at this point but I would be more than happy to help sucker Clemson into overpaying him while we conduct a real coaching search.
You all know about my preference for midwestern coaches, so I won't expound on that.
You all know about my preference for midwestern coaches, so I won't expound on that.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:35 pm to RollTide4Ever
The landscape could look a lot different in a few years, but at this juncture Cristobol and Sarkesian seem like viable next HC candidates.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:49 pm to TidalSurge1
Byrne strikes as an out of the box type that doesn't flow with conventional wisdom.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 4:09 pm to RollTide4Ever
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Byrne strikes as an out of the box type that doesn't flow with conventional wisdom.
Definitely. But he's looking good so far. I think you would have to include Billy Napier and Pruitt if they keep trending in their current direction. Neither are on the short list yet, but appear to be moving that way.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 6:30 pm to moester75
I was for Shula because he was the QB at Bama when I was attending, but I would not have been disappointed had Croom been hired.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 6:52 pm to RollTide4Ever
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Byrne strikes as an out of the box type that doesn't flow with conventional wisdom.
PJ Fleck
Posted on 6/11/20 at 7:19 pm to TidalSurge1
Oh yea TS1 I’m definitely watching Cristobol too but let’s be honest with ourselves if Phil Knight wants to keep Cristobol it’ll be hard to stop him. Phil Knight laughs at every one of our boosters tied up together.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:57 pm to stomp
Fleck is a terrific up and coming coach but he's a northern guy from Chicago originally. I tend to think that he is looking for one of the big positions up there. Not sure how he would fit in the South.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 7:04 am to bamatide07
"row the boat" is too close to "hold the rope".
Posted on 6/12/20 at 9:56 am to RollTide4Ever
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I'm AA, but I was pro Shula. Y'know why? B/c Firing Croom when the time came would've been media overkill. I'm sure the Bama higher-ups thought the same thing and I don't blame them. Either way, the hire was obviously a sacrificial lamb.
This was my feelings at the time.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 10:14 am to phaz
I wanted Shula over Croom.
It was probably more to do with his dad than Mike. He was son of legendary coach and former qb for Bama. Qb>C imo
It was probably more to do with his dad than Mike. He was son of legendary coach and former qb for Bama. Qb>C imo
Posted on 6/22/20 at 9:15 am to moester75
Neither. As far as no one wanting the job, I remember Bill Parcells telling ESPN that he was interested and the response from Coach Moore was “not wanting to go that direction”. If I remember correctly ESPN also reported that Coach Stallings offered to come back for a couple of years to “right the ship” and that was shot down as well. Either would have been much better choices.
It all worked out in the end though. We probably wouldn’t have Coach Saban had either of those two happened.
It all worked out in the end though. We probably wouldn’t have Coach Saban had either of those two happened.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 9:17 am to Donkeypunch
Stallings would not have been any better. Everyone would have known he was just a stopgap and recruiting would have likely suffered even more.
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