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moester75
Alabama Fan
Anne Arundel County, MD
Member since Oct 2018
1544 posts

re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
I got you Cap you’re right chalk that one up to misunderstanding.


crimsontater
Alabama Fan
Trenton GA
Member since Dec 2009
2814 posts

re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
i was croom 100%. croom was far more experienced. knew bama hired shula for his last name.


pvilleguru
Atlanta United Fan
Member since Jun 2009
56200 posts

re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
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Remember when Dennis Franchione urged us to "hold the rope?"
The Bryant Museum shite on him for years after that for that line.


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RollTide4Ever
Harvard Fan
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
14481 posts

re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
I'm AA, but I was pro Shula. Y'know why? B/c Firing Croom when the time came would've been media overkill. I'm sure the Bama higher-ups thought the same thing and I don't blame them. Either way, the hire was obviously a sacrificial lamb.


RTRcdub
Alabama Fan
Member since Nov 2019
394 posts

re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
21-38 (Croom) vs 26-23 (Shula)

MSU isn’t historically as big of a “brand name” as Bama to draw the talent, but 21-38 is still pretty bad. Croom only had one season out of five with more than four wins. All the big 2005 wins with Shula were vacated anyway, so it doesn’t really matter, but I think Shula was the better choice at the time. He took over the program at the worst time and still managed a 10-2 season, and most of his losses at Bama were by less than a one-score difference.


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SummerOfGeorge
Alabama Fan
DeKalb
Member since Jul 2013
66655 posts

re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
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B/c Firing Croom when the time came would've been media overkill.


Exactly - would have been a PR nightmare, especially if he'd had Shula's records.


Syd
Alabama Fan
Member since Sep 2012
1487 posts

re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
Y’all do know Croom feel asleep in a recruit’s living room while at MSU?


phil4bama
Alabama Fan
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
9210 posts

re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
I love Mike Shula for his time as a QB and for accepting the job when Bama was radioactive. I wish we had parted on better terms. Both he and his family appear to harbor bad feelings (with some justification) and I hate that. He didn't do a bad job. He just wasn't ready for the job. He is proof positive that Alabama is not the place to learn how to be a head coach. He made some fatal mistakes and it eventually caught up with him before he was able to put it all together. We needed a seasoned coach who knew how to resurrect a program. The 3 names that I can think of that were realistic possibilities that would have been good hires (I think) were Butch Davis who I threw out there in my first post, Frank Beamer if we could have pried him away from Va Tech, or Gene Stallings. That would have also been a good time to make a run at Bobby Bowden, but he might not have come, considering the circumstances.

The man I will always despise for putting us in that spot was Mike Price who should have been old enough to know better and kept his dick in his pants. Having to fire him at such a late juncture under the NCAA sanctions was a perfect storm. I think his offense would have been perfect to keep us competitive because we would have had the advantage of not needing 5 star athletes to hang with the rest of the SEC. You need a QB that can sling it, some WR's that can run and catch and some OL that can pass block and you can pretty much play with almost anyone. It was a novelty at that time. I think it would have worked if he wasn't such an idiot.


moester75
Alabama Fan
Anne Arundel County, MD
Member since Oct 2018
1544 posts

re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
Yea Phillip you are spot on with your entire post. That silly arse Mike Price thought he could get away with the same shenanigans as our HC as he did up in Washington. Nobody up there pays any attention to what their football coaches do. Price is an idiot and I’m glad we got rid of him but the players did really seem to love that dude even with the short time they spent with him.


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Evolved Simian
Alabama Fan
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
16798 posts

re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
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were you a Croom or Shula advocate?


Most fans have forgotten that there were three coaches interested in the job, and there were a number of people convinced that Richard Williamson's relationship with Mal Moore made him the favorite. Unlike the other two, he had a lot of CFB experience in addition to the NFL. Plus he had over 7 seasons of HC experience. I personally didn't want him because of his head coaching record.






stomp
Alabama Fan
Bama
Member since Nov 2014
3202 posts

re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
I was burned out on the bull shite in 2003 and was just ready to win again. They could've trotted out a peg leg truck driver and I wouldn't have been anymore excited than with Croom or Shula.


BamaFan107
Alabama Fan
Madison
Member since Dec 2019
470 posts

re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
Before the Croom or Shula debate, I always wondered what Price could have done with Brodie Croyle.


Grievous Angel
Alabama Fan
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
4570 posts

re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
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I will never speak ill of Shula because he was willing to come home with the mess we had.


21 scholarships over three years. That was devastating. I also won't speak ill of him either. We lost many games where depth was the issue.

At the time I thought it should have been Croom.


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LATIDER
Alabama Fan
Loxley , Al
Member since Apr 2013
659 posts

re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
After hearing Croom whine like a scorned bitch today, I am convinced he was not the man for the job.


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BamaGradinTn
Alabama Fan
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
19023 posts

re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
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i was croom 100%. croom was far more experienced. knew bama hired shula for his last name.



Croom would have had similar results and may have been more difficult to fire.


The Spleen
Alabama Fan
Member since Dec 2010
30230 posts

re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
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I always wondered what Price could have done with Brodie Croyle.



The reports from practice and summer workouts were all glowing from what I remember.


I had no strong opinion on Croom or Shula. Didn't think either had much chance of success given the circumstances at the time. Both were going to placeholders to get us through probation.


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bamameister
Alabama Fan
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
1417 posts

re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
Leadership at the top was just not good. I just think we were never in an ideal position to replace Gene Stallings to start with. I still wonder what would have happened if Gene Stallings had gotten his man Mal Moore? Instead we get Sorensen and Bockrath and Stallings was checking out of Tuscaloosa. Coach Bryant could control all things football and Stallings just struck out. With Sorensen and Bockrath and the growing arrogance of our BOT, we were doomed going forward and it just kept getting worse. All that crapola at the top had to finally change or coach Saban wasn't coming. Mal Moore had a lot to overcome. Looking back it was really a miracle.


TidalSurge1
Alabama Fan
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
25608 posts

re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
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Looking back it was really a miracle.

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This post was edited on 6/11 at 10:54 am


SummerOfGeorge
Alabama Fan
DeKalb
Member since Jul 2013
66655 posts

re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
It truly was a miracle. We were very much on death's door as a program, and we all knew it.


phil4bama
Alabama Fan
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
9210 posts

re: In 2003 were you a Croom or Shula advocate?
We were one more mediocre coach from becoming Nebraska and Texas; bluebloods that lost their status.


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