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re: If Mac Jones plays the whole game

Posted on 11/1/19 at 10:01 am to
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
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Posted on 11/1/19 at 10:01 am to
Personally, I think they can be pushed around up front. I'd like to see us go Neanderthal and run it right at them and then play action them deep. Limits Tua's exposure to damage, keeps their offense benched, and wears them down. Finesse bubble screens and jet passes plays into their strengths.
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
22378 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 10:54 am to
I don’t think Mac could beat LSU. He’d have to play a damn perfect game and make every throw because we’re going to have to score plenty of points. It’ll be tough enough with Tua.
Posted by remaster916
Alabama
Member since Oct 2012
12231 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:01 am to
I didn't think Mac could beat LSU after the Tennessee game either.

However, after seeing the throws he was making against Arkansas, I now think he can.

I also think the whole team will step up their play with Tua out.

Without Tua, I see Bama winning a 35-24 type game.

With Tua, Bama wins a 56-42 type game.

Bama just scores so fast with Tua, it wears down the defense. Good problem to have though.
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 11:02 am
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42832 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:28 am to
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If that is the case and it is known now we can game plan around having him at QB. Build a scheme that looks a lot like our 2009 offense

We are doomed if we do this. No way an offense like that can keep up with LSU’s scoring.

Even if Tua can’t play and it’s Mac, Alabama isn’t going to wholesale change it’s offense.
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 11:29 am
Posted by Vestigial Morgan
Member since Apr 2016
3048 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:48 am to
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The greatest strength of this team is the wide receivers. If Jones starts and plays the whole game, it limits the ability to maximize that strength. You'll see more bubble screens and jet sweeps and fewer verticle passing plays, although Jones did throw it deep downfield a couple of times against Arkansas. You'll probably also see LSU load the box a bit more. If we have to get into a passing duel with Burrow to keep up or come from behind, it could be a long afternoon.



Ive wondered if we see some replication of the Kiffen era. LSUs front is at min apx 315 ...Shelvin is 340ish?.and , i believe, not terribly deep either...LBs are good but not game changers...does Bama go back to sideline to sideline pop oasses. Use the speed and elusiveness of jeudy ruggs smith and waddle. Wear out the line. Make life easier for Mac. Then lean on Najee Robinson and a controlled passing game?
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:51 am to
I agree with you that we aren't going to do that, but having a ball control offense, and having a defense that can make enough stops to make it all work doesn't sound like a bad recipe to me.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
16996 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 1:19 pm to
LSU is certainly going to play the possession game. Look how many plays they have had in games it’s very minimal.
Posted by prevatt33b
Member since Oct 2019
1147 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:20 pm to
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Would you run at LSU early, esp. wide, and run swings and bubble screens to look to soften them up more for the second half?


Honestly, I expect us to get more run heavy in the 2nd half when the D gets worn down. In the first half, I expect us to be our normal explosive selves. LSU doesn't have much in the way of a pass rush, but statistically they are stout versus the run. Therefore, I'd expect us to pass more when they are fresh and run more when they are tired.

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My concern would be getting Tua, if the starter, out of rhythm, or not being prepared for a special pass defense while trying to execute 3rd and 6 or 8.


My concern is not this, but LSU's blitz package. If I'm LSU, I blitz the run with the added benefit of hopefully getting pressure when it's a pass play. Granted, all this opens up the slant game a little more, but I expect LSU's DBs to play inside leverage all day and play physical. My guess is that this opens up the sluggo (slant and go) as well as the back shoulder throw.

What any viewer needs to key on is whether LSU is in 1-high or 2-high safeties. If they are in 2-high safeties, then LSU thinks they can stop our run game without adding a guy to the box, and we need to punish them for trying that. If they are in single high safety, they we need to pass on them, understanding that we'll likely do it in the face of some heat. But that's where the big plays come if the Oline/backs pick everyone up.

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How would you scheme to help our inexperienced middle linebackers?


Get in 4-1-6 Dime whenever possible with Benton. Many here think Benton is bad, and it's false. He's our best coverage LB by a country mile. However, we can only do that on obvious/logical passing downs. On regular downs, just make sure Shane Lee has the least coverage responsibility possible, i.e the RB only or no one if feasible. Theoretically, we could go to more of a 3-3-5 look with Jennings giving a bit more of a ILB look, as we'd done of late, but I can't see us doing much of that unless we really bring the heat out of it, which I'd be fine with.

The simple point is limiting the distance Shane Lee has to pursue. If that can be accomplished and Harris knows who to cover every play, we'll actually be fine at ILB on regular downs. I'm just worried about Harris being unsure who to cover and Lee getting outrun east-west.
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
5618 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 4:44 pm to
My thinking was that we would look to protect Tua by running early to help slow down the pressure and keep him on his feet. Wear out the down linemen and even lbs by making them run after Waddell for awhile. Added benefit is that by second half we are running right at them and they can’t stop lengths drives.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
16996 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 4:47 pm to
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How would you scheme to help our inexperienced middle linebackers?


Get in 4-1-6 Dime whenever possible with Benton. Many here think Benton is bad, and it's false. He's our best coverage LB by a country mile. However, we can only do that on obvious/logical passing downs. On regular downs, just make sure Shane Lee has the least coverage responsibility possible, i.e the RB only or no one if feasible. Theoretically, we could go to more of a 3-3-5 look with Jennings giving a bit more of a ILB look, as we'd done of late, but I can't see us doing much of that unless we really bring the heat out of it, which I'd be fine with.

The simple point is limiting the distance Shane Lee has to pursue. If that can be accomplished and Harris knows who to cover every play, we'll actually be fine at ILB on regular downs. I'm just worried about Harris being unsure who to cover and Lee getting outrun east-west.


Pretty spot on. We did really well when XM15 came closer to the box and played hybrid. He seemed to help with confusion pre snap. If Lee could like you said be kept in minimal coverage just plug the holes we would probably be in good shape.
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 4:48 pm
Posted by prevatt33b
Member since Oct 2019
1147 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 6:03 pm to
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We did really well when XM15 came closer to the box


With how well LSU spins the pill, I'd wager a guess that we'll do everything we can to stop the run with 2 high safeties. If we have to drop a guy down, LSU will be very happy. Having said that, I wouldn't have a problem with going to a 4-1-6 look with a drop down Safety, which basically gives us 2 fleet afoot "ILBs" - Benton and McKinney. If we feel good about McKinney in the run game, as well as the other safety and Money holding down the fort deep, I wouldn't mind seeing it all game. However, any OC worth a damn is going to run power until you get out of it.

It'll be a nice chess match. As long as we don't ask Lee to do what he can't do, and Harris is clear on pre-snap communication and who to cover, we'll likely be fine.

However, if I'm Ensminger, I'd get Lee in coverage on a RB and throw it to him every other play. I'd do it until you took Lee out of the game by necessity. After that, Bama is out of its comfort zone and I empty the playbook.

One more thing about the safeties. If I'm Golding, I find out really quickly whether Burrow is comfortable reading Saban's pattern matching scheme or not. It's beautiful in that it gives a 2-high safety look pre-snap, then rotates a safety down on the side with the fewest passing targets (generally speaking). We got a nicely-schemed INT last week off of a pretty switch by Benton and Diggs on some related concepts. My point is that I think we can gum up some of Burrow's reads and steal a pick or 2. Might be our single biggest way to get an advantage after the pass rush.
Posted by prevatt33b
Member since Oct 2019
1147 posts
Posted on 11/2/19 at 3:17 am to
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My thinking was that we would look to protect Tua by running early to help slow down the pressure and keep him on his feet. Wear out the down linemen and even lbs by making them run after Waddell for awhile. Added benefit is that by second half we are running right at them and they can’t stop lengths drives.


Sound ideas all, but I'd be more focused on executing my scripted stuff early, and try to get as many points in my schemed up stuff as possible before Aranda adjusts. I think playing it conservatively early would be giving away an advantage. Funny tho, this goes for LSU on offense as well.

Additionally, I see no reason to protect Tua early. Personally, I don't think his ankle will be much of an issue. It might make him less likely to scramble for first downs aggressively, but I expect him to slide in the pocket at 100%. If LSU wants to bring early heat, I say let them and throw it downfield to what might be the best WR corp ever assembled. Seriously, I expect us to generally pick up their pass rush, and these are the plays in which we can do the most damage.

And while I respect your play-it-close-to-the-vest approach, I wouldn't do that here. I think we have a talent advantage over LSU in several spots, and I think it'd be a travesty not to play aggressively from Jump Street.

I trust our defense to get stingy in plus territory, I trust Perine to boom a few and keep field position in our favor, and I think we need to drop the expletive-deleted hammer on their arse from play one and establish the pecking order with a quickness. Play fast, play loose, and create a whirling dervish of Crimson destruction.

The King of the Hill didn't perch that hill with a conservative gameplan.

He took it by making asses quit.


Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
5618 posts
Posted on 11/2/19 at 3:33 pm to
^^^^ This was my plan b ??. But, seriously, if we do have a scheme that can steal three early stops we could possibly be up 14-17 points (by being aggressive and loose) and the pressure on LSU would be wilting. From there we would have to keep the pedal to the floor a bit and look to extend that lead. I do have the feeling that we will take a 10-17 point lead into the half. It is just a sneaking sense.
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
6925 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 12:16 pm to
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LSU is certainly going to play the possession game. Look how many plays they have had in games it’s very minimal.


???

They're averaging 73 plays per game
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