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re: FYI John Doe on Milroe

Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:31 pm to
Posted by RollTide33
Member since Sep 2019
3845 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

Lonergan and Simpson at this moment have better QB skills who can pass the ball.


This is based on no evidence whatsoever and is nothing more than wishful thinking.
Posted by Chad4Bama
Member since Sep 2020
7240 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:32 pm to
Saban is riding the Milroe train now with no stops for better or worse.

I just don't want to be tied to Milroe going in to 2024... unless he shows big improvement in pocket awareness and the passing game. Heck, I'm hoping he runs the table and is the Heisman favorite going into 2024.

We'll see.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
54944 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:35 pm to
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With that said, you were one not considered to be in those "million Bama fans" you speak of.

So, no cookie for you.


You are correct

Having said that, my overall opinion was that Tua was clearly the more talented passer, and we should've replaced Jalen in the AU game. But I will not deny that I was a big Jalen fan, and still am
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 2:38 pm
Posted by UhOhOreo
Los Angeles
Member since Jul 2014
2884 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:40 pm to
I mean, we have the A game tape and it's pretty clear Lonergan is a step ahead of Milroe at throwing the ball. Also jibes with all the reports he's rocketing up the depth chart

Milroe from a physical standpoint is the most talented guy on the depth chart, but his passing skills (Pocket presence, decision making, pre/post snap reads, etc.) are the least developed of the group besides maybe Holstein.

At this point the staff deems Milroe the best option going forward, but that doesn't make him the best passer
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 2:43 pm
Posted by GreenJay
Member since Aug 2023
308 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:41 pm to
If they were better they'd be playing.....when has that not been the case at Bama?


Coaches watch practice everyday. I'd like to think they know what they are doing in deciding who plays and how much.

Folks wanted Buchner and they got him... where them same folks at now?

What exactly has Ty Simpson shown that is garnering all this desire for him to start? Does he win the Texas game? Not a chance.


Milroe is not Bryce,Mac or Tua...but the best option we have is Milroe and until the coaches feel differently, thats the QB Im riding with.

Posted by Remiden
Member since Jan 2018
1322 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:42 pm to
Part of it, and part of it is our center snapping the ball. Someone on here mentioned that most of Milroe problems come when they're is a bad snap, that he seems to get rattled by it. So I went back and watched and I think they are right in one sense. Milroe troubles do come on snaps he has to adjust to.

I think his problem is has had a really hard time finding the defense. When he has to look away and look back up, he struggles to locate them and make a read. When he can keep his eyes on the safeties, he does much better. I don't know what he would it could do to overcome that. Whether it's just hard for him to see around the oline or defensive players moving makes it hard for him to differentiate a LB from a safety, i dunno. But he definately has some sort of issue where when he looks away he struggles to get focused.
Posted by Pastor Mike
Florida
Member since Dec 2020
6042 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:46 pm to
Whew - John Doe is on fire! He is NOT a Milroe fan
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
48887 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:59 pm to
quote:

even Buchner were playing the QB position better than Milroe in camp

I don’t believe this anymore. Buchner is terrible and we should not have pulled him out of the portal.
Posted by Lieutenant Dan
Euthanasia, USA
Member since Jan 2009
8001 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:01 pm to
quote:

But I will not deny that I was a big Jalen fan, and still am



Fair enough.



I will eat crow on his pro career. I did not see that coming.
Posted by UhOhOreo
Los Angeles
Member since Jul 2014
2884 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:11 pm to
Buchners throws were terrible against USF, but he largely makes the right reads and avoids sacks. I'm not surprised he performed the best that week in practice, he may just be a practice warrior that can't put it together under pressure in actual games

Not sure why he went from that fine MTSU drive to whatever USF was, but the kid couldn't hit the broadside of a barn that day. MTSU it just looked like he had some issues putting it high
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 3:13 pm
Posted by In Hsv
Huntsville
Member since Oct 2011
294 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:17 pm to
A day game is useless. What defense was Lonergan going against? He's headed for a redshirt since he's not even getting mop up duty. Lonergan is at least a year away!
Posted by Glorious
Mobile
Member since Aug 2014
25596 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:29 pm to
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I thought the general consensus was that PFF is awful for college. Do we now think their stats are accurate?


I think even at the Pro level it’s at best supplemental. Far from useless though. I think they really do watch a shite ton of plays
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
15257 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

I just don't want to be tied to Milroe going in to 2024...



Saban will ride him until he loses at least one game next year.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
68325 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:48 pm to
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With our personnel the game against A&M should be a blowout.


We are playing a Top 5 roster in terms of overall talent on the road. Tell me how that's a recipe for a blowout?
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
10199 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:51 pm to
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We are playing a Top 5 roster in terms of overall talent on the road. Tell me how that's a recipe for a blowout?


Their secondary is young, inexperienced and bad at this time. They are talented though. Watch the Miami vs A&M from this year.
Posted by Vulcan Materials
Member since May 2022
1022 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

A running QB will never beget a championship.



Good god, go back to Tidefans King Arthur
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
10199 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 4:03 pm to
I don't think Saban is sold on Milroe regardless of what he says publically. Saban is playing politics and the long game. He knows Milroe will have to sink or swim against A&M. Their DL is very good and it remains to be seen if Milroe can take advantage of their woeful secondary. If Milroe cannot take advantage of their secondary we have a 50/50 shot of winning at best. Furthermore, if Milroe cannot improve his passing enough against the better teams we won't beat Auburn in Jordan Hare.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
10199 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 4:06 pm to
quote:

Good god, go back to Tidefans King Arthur


Running QBs who can't throw the ball competently will never win championships. The only running QBs who have long careers are those who become competent passers a la Randall Cunningham, Mike Vick. Otherwise, the most they can become is a Cam Newton. And, Milroe ain't Cam!
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 4:07 pm
Posted by Glorious
Mobile
Member since Aug 2014
25596 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 4:56 pm to
quote:

Lonergan and Simpson at this moment have better QB skills who can pass the ball.

This is based on no evidence whatsoever and is nothing more than wishful thinking.


He can’t really read defenses but the passing game has been fairly efficient under Milroe. Almost 11 yards per attempt, 70% completion, and a 2-to-1 td-int ratio.

That being said, interceptions and failure to throw away the ball leading to a very avoidable sacks are probably the most inefficient results of a passing play

Overall I’m not sure where people think Simpson or Lonergan would absolutely be giving us a better offensive output than Milroe. The CFB world is littered with pocket-passing style QBs that are ineffective

This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 5:29 pm
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
9036 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 5:54 pm to
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Running QBs who can't throw the ball competently will never win championships. The only running QBs who have long careers are those who become competent passers a la Randall Cunningham, Mike Vick. Otherwise, the most they can become is a Cam Newton. And, Milroe ain't Cam!


Cam Newton won an NFL MVP. I guess he turned out alright after his Heisman and natty in college.
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