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re: FSU and Clemson to the Big Ten per Brett McMurphy
Posted on 6/24/24 at 4:49 pm to Carlton
Posted on 6/24/24 at 4:49 pm to Carlton
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Beyond that I don't think the TV market argument is really relevant, it is about the brand of the school.
The SAD TRUTH is that the TV market is ALL that is relevant.
All that other stuff - sad to say - does not mean ANYTHING to the people driving these decisions now.
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Posted on 6/24/24 at 4:51 pm to TideWarrior
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Chapel Hill maybe one of the most liberal cities in the south. It is like CA here.
So is Austin, TX. Didn't seem to bother the SEC or the TV networks that drive these expansions.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 4:54 pm to TomFromBama
TV is the driver I agree, but it is market share not regional market. Nobody wants Clemson because of the regional market, they want Clemson cause of brand recognition.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 4:58 pm to rtr23242526
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Bama dead unless the little to mid economic man gets involved with nil
So- I'm an alum and a lifeflong fan. But if that's what its down to, then let it die.
Those Corporate Luxury Suites and "Zones" etc, are PACKED out every game day with Millionaires (and probably even a few Billionaires).
I'm just not interested in putting up my hard earned money to bribe some 17 year old punk who might not even stay in Tuscaloosa for 10 months.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 7:34 am to TomFromBama
FSU and Clemson would be good adds for the SEC. It also keeps the BIG out of our footprint.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:23 am to Granola
The B1G will have to break every unwritten rule they've ever spoken about membership to let Clemson and FSU in. USF is the only Florida school besides UF in the AAU, not FSU. Surprisingly, Clemson is AAU but not URA which has also been an unspoken requirement in the past. Culturally, they are about as far from a fit as you can get. Do you think the B1G presidents and eggheads will want 2 backwoods southern universities in their elite club? If the B1G wants in the south, give them Miami. Nobody else wants them. And trade Missouri for Clemson or FSU. The big battle is going to be over the North Carolina and Virginia schools and I think the SEC is at a significant disadvantage there because of those schools culture and attitude re academics vs athletics. NC State and Va Tech would be easy pulls, the flagship schools not so much. Sankey needs to be working on those 2 daily if he wants to expand the footprint.
This post was edited on 6/26/24 at 10:24 am
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:41 am to phil4bama
In the end, the ACC dissolves and depending on if the BIG 12 survives or not the 2 or 3 remaining conferences merge into one league like the NFL and AFL did. SEC needs to strategically maintain it's tv rights value with expansion until then, but in the end it will all be the same, probably in the next 10-15 years or less.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 1:57 pm to Granola
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FSU and Clemson would be good adds for the SEC. It also keeps the BIG out of our footprint.
Do people actually care about this? I understand why administrators do, but why should we as fans?
I don’t buy that this affects recruiting for programs at our level. The B1G added every major west coast school, and across California, Oregon, and Washington I think there’s only 1 2025 4 star recruit currently committed to a Midwest school. There are 0 5 stars.
None of this expansion is about benefiting the school or even the athletics program. It’s just about inflating revenue, so administrators can inflate their salaries.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 2:09 pm to phil4bama
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The B1G will have to break every unwritten rule they've ever spoken about membership to let Clemson and FSU in. USF is the only Florida school besides UF in the AAU, not FSU.
Can anyone cite a time the B1G has turned down a legitimate candidate for membership because of AAU status? The only major program in the B1G’s footprint that wasn’t AAU was Notre Dame, and the conference begged Notre Dame to join for years prior to ND getting AAU status last year.
The conference expanded with Oregon over Stanford and is going to have student athletes flying across on the country to play midweek volleyball games, but we’re supposed to believe lack of AAU membership is a deal breaker?
Maybe it was decades ago, but these leagues now are completely detached from any of that.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 7:19 am to TomFromBama
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So is Austin, TX. Didn't seem to bother the SEC or the TV networks that drive these expansions
I can assure you that in the minds of university administrators and television executives, a statement like "Chapel Hill may be one of the most liberal cities in the south" is interpreted as an endorsement, not an insult.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 4:51 pm to CrimsonCrusade
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Brett McMurphy@Brett_McMurphy·8h
Big Ten, SEC unlikely to add Florida State if it leaves ACC & ACC survives, sources told @ActionNetworkHQ. Big Ten & SEC don’t want FSU because adding FSU doesn’t make financial sense, no desire to expand & “they’ve been a disruptive partner,” sources said
Posted on 7/16/24 at 5:14 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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Why?
Basketball.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 10:16 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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The conference expanded with Oregon over Stanford and is going to have student athletes flying across on the country to play midweek volleyball games, but we’re supposed to believe lack of AAU membership is a deal breaker?
Part of the reason given for the B1G to invite Nebraska when they did was because at the time they were an AAU school but the procress had already started to kick them out so the moved so they could still say "We only invite AAU schools." ND seems to be the only exception they're willing to make to that "rule." The B1G originally didn't want either Washington or Oregon but Fox Sports offered them more money if they added those two so the did.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 9:32 am to Grievous Angel
He was on wjox and says he has talked to numerous people at Big ten and SEC schools (Presidents, ADs, Board members) and neither league is interested. He said that was 100% of the people he talked to that felt that way. Not really a gain financially after they take their slice, not sure they want any more members, and fsu is being looked at as sort of a rogue member for starting all of this, and not sure they want to have them. He thinks if fsu is able to get out of the league for not too much money, then the big 10 and the SEC will have a bidding war for N Carolina and Virginia. Most likely in his opinion they would go to the SEC. But he said North Carolina is happy as things are and would rather the ACC survive.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:17 am to Amarillo Tide
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UVA doesn’t take football seriously.
Still, they are top 15 in revenue production (#14 to be exact).
That is ahead of FSU (#15), who had one of their best seasons since Winston and Jimbo in football, and Clemson (#17).
Also ahead of:
#16 Kentucky
#18 UTk
#19 Oregon
#20 Arkansas
#23 Louisville
#27 USCe
#28 Mizzou
#30 Ole Miss
#32 UNC
#38 VaTech
#40 Mississippi State
*Vandy is a private school and AD revenue not listed, but safe to assume its low.
USA Today 2023 Sports Revenue and Expenses
My only experience in Chalottesville was Army schools hosted on the campus. But, I loved the city. Old south feel to it. But, yes, it's a top notch law school and very liberal student body and faculty. Hence, their following in the DC/Northern VA area.
Any further additions will be about $$$, nothing else.
I think UVA, Louisville, or UNC would be good additions. But, Clemson and FSU are strategic.
Keep the Big and their mega TV $$ deal out of the southeast footprint. It basically gives them viewership across the country.
When the talk of the Big 2 not wanting them started, I initially thought they might be smart to go to the Big 12. Being the only two namebrands in a conference clinging to life, they could name their deal and control their fates.
Posted on 7/19/24 at 7:49 am to Che Boludo
I'm pretty sure that chart is for ALL sports, not just football. Seriously, for most games in Charlottesville, the stands are only 2/3 to 3/4 full. The exceptions are when FSU, Virginia Tech or on the odd occasion when some team that's really good comes to town.
Basketball tickets are usually very hard to come by if you're not a season ticket holder.
Yes, it's a pretty cool town (the shops, restaurants, etc) BUT the student body is woke on steroids. To give you an idea of how woke, years ago, a co-ed was walking home from the library at night. She was assaulted by two local men, brutally raped and had the living sh*t beat out of her. She lived but had to have reconstruction surgery on her face and was so mentally scarred she had to withdraw from school.
You would think that the student body would be in an uproar over this and outraged. Nope. Instead, they held a student meeting with hundreds, maybe thousands in attendance and were literally telling the students that they needed to "understand why these young men who did this were so angry and what could they do to meet those men's emotional needs in their lives so that they didn't do that kind of thing again". (?!?!?!?!?!)
ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?!?!?!??!?! As a father of daughter myself, I can tell you I don't need to understand sh*t about "their emotional needs". I would want those animals sent to prison for the rest of their lives.
I think most NORMAL people would feel that way but not these loons.
I don't kid myself. I know most college campuses are liberal but like I said, these guys are on a whole another level of wokeness. They give Berkley a run for their money for nuttiness.
I guess my point is, even though it's a really good school, it's a terrible fit culturally with the SEC.
Basketball tickets are usually very hard to come by if you're not a season ticket holder.
Yes, it's a pretty cool town (the shops, restaurants, etc) BUT the student body is woke on steroids. To give you an idea of how woke, years ago, a co-ed was walking home from the library at night. She was assaulted by two local men, brutally raped and had the living sh*t beat out of her. She lived but had to have reconstruction surgery on her face and was so mentally scarred she had to withdraw from school.
You would think that the student body would be in an uproar over this and outraged. Nope. Instead, they held a student meeting with hundreds, maybe thousands in attendance and were literally telling the students that they needed to "understand why these young men who did this were so angry and what could they do to meet those men's emotional needs in their lives so that they didn't do that kind of thing again". (?!?!?!?!?!)
ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?!?!?!??!?! As a father of daughter myself, I can tell you I don't need to understand sh*t about "their emotional needs". I would want those animals sent to prison for the rest of their lives.
I think most NORMAL people would feel that way but not these loons.
I don't kid myself. I know most college campuses are liberal but like I said, these guys are on a whole another level of wokeness. They give Berkley a run for their money for nuttiness.
I guess my point is, even though it's a really good school, it's a terrible fit culturally with the SEC.
This post was edited on 7/19/24 at 7:53 am
Posted on 7/19/24 at 8:24 am to Amarillo Tide
I don't doubt it and got the same vibe.
For sports, the SEC would certainly have to figure out how to get men's lacrosse into the lineup full time
And, yes, all are liberal campuses. When I taught at Ole Miss. Two girls were abducted leaving a bar on the square. One escaped by jumping from the car headed to Batesville. The other was held captive for multiple days and raped and beaten repeatedly.
Oxford police initially put out a notice that they were last seen with 2 black men and provided their physical description and the cars description.
Within hours, the woke agenda protested calling the men out as black, and OPD recalled the initial notice and replaced it simply with "last seen leaving with two men."
It's everywhere
For sports, the SEC would certainly have to figure out how to get men's lacrosse into the lineup full time
And, yes, all are liberal campuses. When I taught at Ole Miss. Two girls were abducted leaving a bar on the square. One escaped by jumping from the car headed to Batesville. The other was held captive for multiple days and raped and beaten repeatedly.
Oxford police initially put out a notice that they were last seen with 2 black men and provided their physical description and the cars description.
Within hours, the woke agenda protested calling the men out as black, and OPD recalled the initial notice and replaced it simply with "last seen leaving with two men."
It's everywhere
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