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Posted on 12/17/24 at 12:29 pm to MagillaGuerilla
Posted on 12/17/24 at 12:29 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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Yeah, the only pic I saw circulated was definitely of Chapman.
I thought so.
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Posted on 12/17/24 at 12:32 pm to FightingOkra
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It's your money you can do what you want with it. As long as you're prepared to slide back to the mediocrity we experienced in the late 90's early 2000's if all our alumnus decide to do the same thing. Because other schools are going to continue to drop bags and the NCAA can't do a single thing about it.
I grew up in the 90's and went to school when Shula was the coach. Believe me I can handle it. I will just find something else to do. I'm getting to the age where I'm done allowing 18-22 year olds dictate my mood 4 months a year
Posted on 12/17/24 at 12:35 pm to JoylessMurderball
The issue is there is no sheriff, nor will there be unless the schools/conferences all agree to a system that is fair for all.
Right now, many see it as a way to level the field - why would they (the Indiana’s and Colorado’s of the world) stop? Now they can openly buy players (or get them to transfer for money) without any recourse.
As long as they have success on the field, it won’t matter. When the success faulters, that’s when the money stops flowing and they will be bitching like we are.
I just don’t see it happening anytime soon.
Coach Saban, like always, saw all this shite and bailed. Smartest man on the planet has always been steps ahead of everyone.
Right now, many see it as a way to level the field - why would they (the Indiana’s and Colorado’s of the world) stop? Now they can openly buy players (or get them to transfer for money) without any recourse.
As long as they have success on the field, it won’t matter. When the success faulters, that’s when the money stops flowing and they will be bitching like we are.
I just don’t see it happening anytime soon.
Coach Saban, like always, saw all this shite and bailed. Smartest man on the planet has always been steps ahead of everyone.
This post was edited on 12/17/24 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 12/17/24 at 12:42 pm to Funky Tide 8
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so what's the end game here if big donors stop donating? Just idly watch as our talent depletes, and wait it out until we've had enough of DeBoer in a couple of years and hire the next coach hoping that its a homerun and then they'll start donating again? and if the next coach has the same problems, rinse and repeat? Seems like that isn't the best approach.
Basically. Once the donors lose faith the coach doesn’t last long. I think DeBoer has this year and that’s probably it.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 12:44 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Basically. Once the donors lose faith the coach doesn’t last long. I think DeBoer has this year and that’s probably it.
And that's the most idiotic and short-sighted type of thinking that ends up turning your program into Auburn.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 12:47 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Seems like that isn't the best approach.
That's an awful approach. That's how a program becomes a has-been
Posted on 12/17/24 at 12:54 pm to cdur86
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I'm in a fortunate position in my life/career that I can donate funds and a few others that I know that are in a position to do so as well. We are all alumni of the University and love it deeply. However, the way this NIL/portal shite is going none of us want to donate to a bunch of kids that have it easy compared to us when we were in school and the fact that you have to pay even more every year to just keep them on the roster. That is a huge turnoff. I am donating more to the business school than to 18-22 year old kids that really don't have to go to class. That is just my opinion and I realize that is not a good business plan for the athletics but until the NCAA deals with this Wild Wild West business of college athletics none of us are going to spend a dime on the NIL
Same and this isn’t a flex but my family give a good bit and get some special treatment. With that comes a level of accountability on the school. You don’t want to see spoiled brats run your university into the ground of bad sportsmanship and the like. Winning is what it is. We all want to win. However, it’s how you win as well.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 12:55 pm to FightingOkra
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And that's the most idiotic and short-sighted type of thinking that ends up turning your program into Auburn.
You’re not wrong and I’m only saying all this so you can see inside the standard mind of a donor. Some are winning is it and some have a larger approach to this situation.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 12:58 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Same and this isn’t a flex but my family give a good bit and get some special treatment. With that comes a level of accountability on the school. You don’t want to see spoiled brats run your university into the ground of bad sportsmanship and the like. Winning is what it is. We all want to win. However, it’s how you win as well.
Agree 100%. Still think you need to give the coach a couple more years though before you can really know how he operates a team. He inherited this group that have no impulse control and he brought with him a few guys that seem more cerebral. Let's hope he recruits more of these type of guys going forward but it will take some time to get rid of the group that can't control themselves in the moment. We've already gotten rid of a major portion of said group. I'm excited to see what kind of person he recruits and brings in
Posted on 12/17/24 at 1:05 pm to CrimsonBoz
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You don’t want to see spoiled brats run your university into the ground of bad sportsmanship and the like.
But how many of the bad apples were a product of just trying to keep the whole team from transferring out and keeping the recruiting class that was coming in?
Now, I don't recall DeBoer having that problem at Washington so it is yet to be determined, but just by his demeanor he doesn't seem like a coach that will tolerate much of that or any going forward. The players he had at UW seemed to genuinely like playing for him. Hopefully that translates to Bama in year two.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 1:16 pm to remaster916
DeBoer is better than all 3 of those coaches who are good but overrated. He is 6-0 against them:1-0 vs KS, 2-0 vs SS, 3-0 vs DL.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 1:34 pm to Lg
Yeah, that is why I took my finger off the trigger and I’ll just let him do what he needs to do and see where it shakes out. If at the end of that, we still don’t really have a great product then it wasn’t a good fit.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 1:38 pm to PowHound
I'm pretty sure that Saban gave GB the same information that he gave KD re: the locker room circumstances, etc., and the likely need to roll with unfortunate realities for the first year. So I think GB didn't hire him based on an idea that he was getting something that he wasn't.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 2:57 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Basically. Once the donors lose faith the coach doesn’t last long. I think DeBoer has this year and that’s probably it.
One of my favorite Saban quotes is it’s good to be optimistic, bad to be pessimistic, but best to be realistic.
The reality is Saban is gone, and in retrospect the guy you really think of when you say Saban may have already been gone for a few years. Whoever was the first guy to fill his shoes was likely to fail, there is no way to be successful with that kind of measuring stick, and it looks like that’s what will happen. CKD may be able to turn it around, but that Oklahoma game kind of tells the story to me. Hopefully Alabama can get the right long term coach in place in another hire or two. Maybe by then this whole money situation will be under control, but until then there will be lots of difficult games to get thru and some years of disappointment, like this one.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 3:10 pm to Alfie Solomons
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but that Oklahoma game kind of tells the story to me
Plenty of really good coaches have had wtf games in their first seasons at a new school. You can say that it was different for whatever reasons, but its really not. One or even two or three bad games in season 1 doesn't define a coach.
This post was edited on 12/17/24 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 12/17/24 at 3:30 pm to Funky Tide 8
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One or even two or three bad games in season 1 doesn't define a coach.
Welp…I’m pretty sure this season has been defined by the 2 losses at Vandy and OU. And DeBoer has been defined by them as well.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 3:37 pm to Alfie Solomons
Man, it is a good thing that Saban wasn't defined by his 2007 season. Otherwise, we would be toast. Or Smart, who lost to Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech his first season at UGA. Or Sark, who lost to Arkansas, Kansas, Iowa State, and West Virginia his first season. Just because a coach has head scratching loses during his first season does not equate to defining moment.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 4:19 pm to Funky Tide 8
Your QB can't play that bad for 60 minutes and expect to win. The open date for OU was huge as well.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 4:30 pm to FWBFLlaw
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Man, it is a good thing that Saban wasn't defined by his 2010 season
Fixed. That’s the real travesty.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 4:32 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Your QB can't play that bad for 60 minutes and expect to win.
And not only did the QB play bad, the WRs were awful, catching and blocking, Oline got whooped, and our D were asleep for the first two quarters. It was a great recipe for an arse-kicking.
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