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re: Dispassionate observations from the game after a 2nd watch.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 6:34 pm to Funky Tide 8
Posted on 9/11/23 at 6:34 pm to Funky Tide 8
The main difference between this loss and that Ole Miss loss is we knew Coker was at least capable since they had beaten Wisconsin and MTSU before letting Bateman start (because Coker had the flu if I remember correctly). We also had Derrick Henry and one of the best defenses of Saban era.
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 6:49 pm to RolltidePA
Here is a post I made at halfftime of the game
And later
And on Sunday morning
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re: Alabama 24 vs. Texas 34 | FINAL | ESPNPosted on 9/9/23 at 8:03 pm
The play of Milroe is pretty simple. The first place he looks before the snap tells you what kind of play and where it is going. In this game, after the snap,if his first read is not there he looks at the pass rush instead of his progressions.
Texas is keying where Milroe looks and playing run or pass based on the read. If pass, they close on the primary read and play softer on the others. Milroe never gets to the others.
And later
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most of the passing game (Alabama's) was supposed to be short (quick). The pass should be out before the pass rush could get to the QB.
Our pass rush has been complained about a great deal since Saturday night. They (Texas) used a passing game that did not allow the edge rush to be part of the game (for the most part). But that requires the the DB's not know where the ball is going even before the WR's know.
And on Sunday morning
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WR's? They looked good. Had the best game of any possition group yesturday. They got open. Ran pretty clean routes. They did not have a QB who could get them the ball. Texas shut down the first choice with coverage focus but progression options were there most of the night.
Rees? I thought he called a pretty good game but the QB could not execute what Rees set up for him.
This post was edited on 9/11/23 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 9/11/23 at 7:17 pm to Shaft Williams
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I think loyalty was the deciding factor to name Milroe the starter. If Saban really thought Milroe was the guy without a doubt he would have said so clearly. But, he never did.
Thinking through it a little, I can see the logic in starting Milroe the first couple games if you take a step back and look at the macro. You have three guys that, by all accounts, aren't separating themselves by any real margin. You have Milroe that has been with the program and again, by all accounts a good soldier. I can't speculate what Simpson's issues are, but we know that Buchner has only been with the program for a couple months and probably doesn't know enough of the offense to truly operate it yet. So you go with Milroe, since he's been doing the right things and will have a few weeks to see if he can handle the spotlight.
We as fans see a big game against Texas with all that goes into it, but Saban is probably looking at it like it's a great testbed that win or loss, really has no bearing on the success of the season. Sucks as a fan losing to Texas, but really, it doesn't mean anything. The key to everything is getting ready for league play. Milroe looked good enough against MTSU so he's greenlighted for the UT start. Obviously it doesn't go well and now it's time to reevaluate, while giving the other QB's more time to develop and learn the system.
The UT game ended up being a perfect storm for QB indecision. UT didn't pull away fast enough, and Milroe was doing just enough at key times to make you think he might be able to figure things out, at least well enough to navigate the game or through a season. Right at the point of no return is when the last int. happens and Texas pulls away.
Now we have another OOC game on the docket, a good opportunity for considerable reps and a couple of weeks to see if someone can establish themself as the starter. Probably a good time for Buchner or Simpson to get some reps with the #1's. We'll see if that happens.
All this is a long way of saying, we look at it through a lens of a fan. The coaches are looking at it separated from that lens and look at it as getting ready for the games that will determine the success of the season. The Texas game was a good barometer to see of Milroe would be able to step up. He didn't, now it's time to reevaluate from square one and see who can be ready for league play with one more tune up.
This post was edited on 9/11/23 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 9/11/23 at 7:24 pm to CrimsonBuddha
Buchner from what I’m told was with the 1’s today.
I’ve seen and played enough football to know Buchner was the clear winner at the scrimmage. He just seems cool under center, adjusts protection and looks through progression.
He might totally collapse in an sec game but I think he is at least serviceable.
I’ve seen and played enough football to know Buchner was the clear winner at the scrimmage. He just seems cool under center, adjusts protection and looks through progression.
He might totally collapse in an sec game but I think he is at least serviceable.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 7:31 pm to RolltidePA
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I don’t like to hammer kids and drop blame on them. But yeah; the more you watch the bigger the deficiencies at QB become. There were plays that were blocked perfectly, guys were open and we ended up with a negative outcome.
He doesn’t see the field at all.
There were plays im not convinced he even looked he was just blindly throwing to a spot.
No pocket presence, no feel for a blitz even when just dropping and running would’ve been easy first downs.
The most unforgivable however with the possible exception of the swing pass in our own red zone for an INT was when he casually jogged out of bounds short of a first down instead of pushing up field.
It was a flat out cowardly move and completely unacceptable even if you are Peyton Manning much less a guy who is only starting because he can make plays with his legs.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 7:55 pm to RolltidePA
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Thinking through it a little, I can see the logic in starting Milroe the first couple games if you take a step back and look at the macro. You have three guys that, by all accounts, aren't separating themselves by any real margin. You have Milroe that has been with the program and again, by all accounts a good soldier. I can't speculate what Simpson's issues are, but we know that Buchner has only been with the program for a couple months and probably doesn't know enough of the offense to truly operate it yet. So you go with Milroe, since he's been doing the right things and will have a few weeks to see if he can handle the spotlight.
That is a pretty good take on where things stood on Saturday night. Saban has said a few times before the game that QB was still an open competition.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 8:17 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Buchner from what I’m told was with the 1’s today
Was Buchner the only one with 1’s? Or was it like summer camp where all QBs got time with them?
Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:20 pm to Shaft Williams
He’s a good kid and he plays hard. He has the physical tools to be great.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 10:23 pm to GAFF
I’m not sure on that.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 6:56 am to GAFF
Traditionally, the #2 QB (whoever that is) always gets at least some snaps with the first team, so unless things have changed, I would assume Milroe got at least some snaps.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 8:33 am to RolltidePA
Once we committed to Jalen from the MTSU cupcake, Sark knew the game plan to go with.
Bear would have jerked Milroe for sure after interception #2. You just don’t turn the ball over. That’s a sin.
Bear would have jerked Milroe for sure after interception #2. You just don’t turn the ball over. That’s a sin.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:49 pm to footswitch
What made it worse, was that on, at least, the second interception, we ran a max protect blocking scheme with only two wrs running patterns. Milroe had a fifty fifty shot to pick the right guy to throw to and picked the one with safety help and threw it right to him. The defender took maybe 4 steps.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 2:12 pm to Woody4daTide9
I'm not sure which INT was worse. When he threw the second one I thought it was one of the worse passes I've seen a Bama QB throw in decades. Then I went back and watched the first one. Now I can't decide. I mean, yikes.
I've seen some people wonder why we don't run screens but we can't really run screens that involve our O line since they're all so big and slow.
I wish this board had a better UI so I could embed Youtube clips. There's some sad stuff to behold from the game.
I've seen some people wonder why we don't run screens but we can't really run screens that involve our O line since they're all so big and slow.
I wish this board had a better UI so I could embed Youtube clips. There's some sad stuff to behold from the game.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 3:04 pm to JIB
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I wish this board had a better UI so I could embed Youtube clips. There's some sad stuff to behold from the game.
just link the time stamps if you really want to post them.
or make them into gifs and post them.
This post was edited on 9/12/23 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 9/12/23 at 3:11 pm to JIB
He throws those INTs like he has tunnel vision and literally can't see anything in his peripheral
Posted on 9/12/23 at 5:49 pm to JIB
First was bad but I could explain it off as an inexperienced qb that misread the defense. The that intercepted the first wasn’t the guy covering the receiver. It was a matchup zone and the interceptor broke from his man. An experienced qb prolly changes the play at the line or attacks the LOS so the defense has to react. Which should lead to a completion, if they don’t react, he takes off. He did none of the above.
The second was literally 3 dbs on two wrs with the receiver in the left in man to man. The original look had two safeties but pre snap the other safety starts to the LOS.
Both ints were bad. Jalen is not ready.
Neither was Booker, McLaughlin or Proctor
The second was literally 3 dbs on two wrs with the receiver in the left in man to man. The original look had two safeties but pre snap the other safety starts to the LOS.
Both ints were bad. Jalen is not ready.
Neither was Booker, McLaughlin or Proctor
Posted on 9/13/23 at 8:30 am to Woody4daTide9
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An experienced qb prolly changes the play at the line
In fairness, Milroe isn't allowed to do that even if he could see what to do. You'll notice that he doesn't wear a copy of the playchart, so clearly he doesn't have permission to audible or call any plays.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 11:13 am to RolltidePA
Good post.
Which makes me wonder if we aren't being a little hard on Milroe. I remember a Heisman winning Bama QB throwing an interception late in a recent national championship. The game got away from Bama at that point.
I'll never say the two individuals are comparable, just that Milroe is in good company.
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Milroe was doing just enough at key times to make you think he might be able to figure things out, at least well enough to navigate the game or through a season. Right at the point of no return is when the last int. happens and Texas pulls away.
Which makes me wonder if we aren't being a little hard on Milroe. I remember a Heisman winning Bama QB throwing an interception late in a recent national championship. The game got away from Bama at that point.
I'll never say the two individuals are comparable, just that Milroe is in good company.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 11:18 am to captainFid
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Which makes me wonder if we aren't being a little hard on Milroe.
We’re not.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 11:35 am to captainFid
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Which makes me wonder if we aren't being a little hard on Milroe
We probably are in the sense that the guy is still pretty inexperienced, and could potentially develop more. We've gotten super spoiled with QBs, and most QBs need a lot of experience to really come into their own. He gives plenty of effort, and wants to win more than we all want to win.
On the other hand, college football, and especially our program, is more "win now" than ever. Its just the way it is. If he was for sure, 100% our best option it'd be different. But at this point, it isn't obvious at all that he is the best option, and we want to see the potential of the other guys in game situations.
Personal attacks are another thing entirely, but I haven't seen much of that on this board in this case. Everyone has generally kept it respectable.
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 11:37 am
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