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Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:19 pm to passthetylenol
Quick comment on the crowd…it was actually well attended which surprised me. This is the kind of game I used to look at the open seats and fume.
Just after Iron Bowl, just before SECCG. School out. Cold as shite. Early tip.
We jumped out to such a big lead it lulled people to sleep. The crowd definitely needs to be louder, but they came alive a bit at the end(with me shaming the old fogies in my section to stand up haha)
I have to hope and believe it’ll be more lit in conference play.
Just after Iron Bowl, just before SECCG. School out. Cold as shite. Early tip.
We jumped out to such a big lead it lulled people to sleep. The crowd definitely needs to be louder, but they came alive a bit at the end(with me shaming the old fogies in my section to stand up haha)
I have to hope and believe it’ll be more lit in conference play.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:07 pm to passthetylenol
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Also, is the second weakness a lack of effective inbound underneath plays?
Dang it, that’s 3. #2 is late game substitutions…although he did show a modest improvement in the Illinois game after his error in the Purdue game.
I didn’t see it fully tonight, but it looked like he almost forgot to pull Philon with his 4 fouls on a defensive possession tonight but in the end, they got that one right. With Holloway hurt, most of our other guys are serviceable enough on defense to leave out there.
Edit: Williamson not withstanding, obviously
This post was edited on 12/3/25 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:24 pm to passthetylenol
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Yeah, I agree with you but I have coached enough to know that a timeout doesn’t guarantee a stop or a score. With some coaches it is just part of their philosophy to play through runs. Sometimes hard to watch though.
It’s never guaranteed, but typically if it doesn’t stop the other team’s run, you were gonna lose anyway. Our offense also doesn’t have a lot of set plays which is typically used after a TO to get an easy bucket/open look.
That said, the momentum thing is real. Even with coaches that like to lean towards letting their guys play through it, I’ve watched a lot of basketball and can’t remember even 2-3 decent coaches that are worse than Oats at calling TOs during another teams runs. As I mentioned, he’s even referenced his cluelessness in a press conference before. He’s more oblivious to it than being a strategic decision to help his team grow or save the TOs. I’ve watched him do it in at least 2 NCAAT games and I know we got eliminated in one of those (can’t remember which one it was, but it was before I realized how big of a blind spot it was for Nate).
Glad the team won and think we probably need Bristow back for Az if we want to have a puncher’s chance in that one. Rebounding #s are going to be ugly in that one, so we’ll probably need to shoot lights out.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:48 pm to BamaBravesPackers
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Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:50 pm to Alabama_Fan
Posted on 12/4/25 at 5:10 am to BamaBravesPackers
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but it looked like he almost forgot to pull Philon with his 4 fouls on a defensive possession tonight
He didn't pull him then, or even think about pulling him. Why? Because there was only 3.5 minutes left in the game when he picked up his 4th. And as you said, no Holloway.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 5:15 am to JIB
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Who wants to sex Sherrell?
Posted on 12/4/25 at 6:37 am to Sandkhan
First thing is I’m very relieved we won. That’s what matters.
However, Nate’s ‘tism showed up big time in the 2nd half. He was more concerned about bitching at the refs the entire half than coaching his team. Then god forbid he even consider calling a timeout to try and get the guys to regroup and kill some of Clemson’s momentum. I really do think he went off the rocker a bit there.
However, Nate’s ‘tism showed up big time in the 2nd half. He was more concerned about bitching at the refs the entire half than coaching his team. Then god forbid he even consider calling a timeout to try and get the guys to regroup and kill some of Clemson’s momentum. I really do think he went off the rocker a bit there.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 6:42 am to Bryant91092
I'd think that he was using this as a teaching moment if I'd not seen him do the same thing in NCAAT games.
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Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:28 am to BamaBravesPackers
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worse than Oats at calling TOs during another teams runs.
I can remember a LOT of coaches wasting timeouts to try to stop runs to no avail. I'll guarantee you Oats has crunched the numbers and made a conscious decision on how he handles those situations.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:40 am to Bryant91092
The refusal to make an adjustment defensively was pretty mind boggling. Once they got incredibly comfortable running their 2-3 variations of horns sets against our drop coverage they got a good look 95% of possessions (which was the last 16 minutes of the game).
At some point you have to throw something else at them for 2-3 possessions at the very least to break their rhythm/comfort level. We never did anything. Just let them come off high screens, get in the lane, take a 5 foot runner or dump to a big who bodies TBB from 2 feet.
At some point you have to throw something else at them for 2-3 possessions at the very least to break their rhythm/comfort level. We never did anything. Just let them come off high screens, get in the lane, take a 5 foot runner or dump to a big who bodies TBB from 2 feet.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:41 am to Bryant91092
Nate got the same deal Saban did. Unused timeouts roll into year end bonuses.
Really though, I'll never understand his aversion to using them to slow down a run and regroup. I don't have a problem with giving them a little leash to play through it, but not to the extent that he often does. I hope he self scouts a little this season. If they ever get healthy I think this could be his best team and it's going to burn me up if they get knocked out of the tournament because he won't try to stop a second half run.
Really though, I'll never understand his aversion to using them to slow down a run and regroup. I don't have a problem with giving them a little leash to play through it, but not to the extent that he often does. I hope he self scouts a little this season. If they ever get healthy I think this could be his best team and it's going to burn me up if they get knocked out of the tournament because he won't try to stop a second half run.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:52 am to Robot Santa
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I'll never understand his aversion to using them to slow down a run and regroup
Unless you're going to change something defensively, what is the point, really?
And most of the time, a run is because the other team is hot. By the time a timeout is called, it's gotten to the point that it's probably about to fall back off. So, you're calling a timeout at the point when a regression to the mean is imminent.
I think Oats believes in math and the fact that it all evens out over the course of the game. Timeouts don't really affect math, unless you're actually going to change something.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 8:10 am to SummerOfGeorge
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The refusal to make an adjustment defensively was pretty mind boggling. Once they got incredibly comfortable running their 2-3 variations of horns sets against our drop coverage they got a good look 95% of possessions (which was the last 16 minutes of the game).
At some point you have to throw something else at them for 2-3 possessions at the very least to break their rhythm/comfort level. We never did anything. Just let them come off high screens, get in the lane, take a 5 foot runner or dump to a big who bodies TBB from 2 feet.
I mean, I really REALLY believe he was trying to put the young kids in bad situations, trying to force them to grow. He would obviously never say it, but after watching the All The Smoke podcast, I think he wanted to teach them to compete and fight when everything is going against you. That growth will win a title. Allen and Jemison both blossomed last night. You could see it as the game played out. Hell, when Philon went down we had Allen running point. He's fricking 6'8. If he keeps up this progression he will be a one and done. 6'8 PG who can shoot dont grow on trees.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 8:24 am to Teague
Because it's not just math. Psychology and emotion are part of it as well. Sometimes guys really do just need a minute to refocus and be reminded to do x, y, and z. These are college players, not NBA vets.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 8:36 am to Bryant91092
Last night, even more than momentum the timeout could’ve been used to get TBB out because he was getting killed.
I think 40% of my voice being lost yelling for a timeout
I think 40% of my voice being lost yelling for a timeout
Posted on 12/4/25 at 8:45 am to Sandkhan
TBB was absolutely getting abused on defense. I played power forward in 7th and 8th grade, Im still only 5'10, and I swear I could use my wide shoulders to create enough space to score on TBB in the paint. I've done it on 6'7 guys before at least.
I hate watching college basketball and seeing guys who dont know how to box out and use their body. Yeah, TBB is skinny, but there's things he can do cut through gaps and sidestep box outs to get boards. Hes obviously still growing, looks like a baby giraffe half the time.
I hate watching college basketball and seeing guys who dont know how to box out and use their body. Yeah, TBB is skinny, but there's things he can do cut through gaps and sidestep box outs to get boards. Hes obviously still growing, looks like a baby giraffe half the time.
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Posted on 12/4/25 at 8:50 am to VaBamaMan
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Hell, when Philon went down we had Allen running point. He's fricking 6'8. If he keeps up this progression he will be a one and done. 6'8 PG who can shoot dont grow on trees.
I love his game but this draft class is stacked and he probably won't test all that well. He should probably stay in school another year, secure a big NIL bag (hopefully from us), and continue working on his handle and passing.
I'd like to see him work on posting up smaller defenders too. He seems to understand angles and leverage well enough that he'd be good at it.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 8:50 am to SummerOfGeorge
The Drop coverage drives me insane. They started killing us with those floaters and runners.
I get it is supposed to be to make teams take Mid range but my god for Good Guards idc what the analytics say it’s a good shot for the opposing team
I get it is supposed to be to make teams take Mid range but my god for Good Guards idc what the analytics say it’s a good shot for the opposing team
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