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re: Charlie Strong was in Tuscaloosa Thursday
Posted on 2/15/20 at 6:09 pm to John Milner
Posted on 2/15/20 at 6:09 pm to John Milner
So does this 3-3-5 help ameliorate the RPO since linemen are looking to shoot gaps rather than play heads up and get blocked like in a two gap scheme? Seems that if you’re playing in their backfield and linemen aren’t getting a block on you that the RPO kind of falls apart.
I am not a football expert, so I’ll hang up and listen.
I am not a football expert, so I’ll hang up and listen.
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Posted on 2/15/20 at 6:15 pm to 3down10
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the offense was the reason we lost 2 games, not the defense.
That's a naive position to take. The offense was not blameless in the losses, of course, but the defense was certainly a problem in both losses. No way they should have given up 34 points to Auburn. And all of that poor tackling against LSU, was that not a problem?
It's fine to say that the offense also shares in the blame, but it is flat wrong to say that the offense is the exclusive reason that Alabama lost the two games they lost.
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 2/15/20 at 6:20 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
You understand, don’t you, that LSU brought out a Heisman trophy winning quarterback and a national championship team with an offense that was a mercy knee away from hanging 49 or more on Clemson, right? To blame our defense for that lose is to be blinded by anger at having lost. Just a few years ago we had one of our best defenses ever, and had to outs ore both Ole Miss and Auburn to win.
Today’s offenses are going to make many more good defenses look like chopped liver for quite some more time.
Today’s offenses are going to make many more good defenses look like chopped liver for quite some more time.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 6:22 pm to LovetheLord
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You understand, don’t you, that LSU brought out a Heisman trophy winning quarterback and a national championship team with an offense that was a mercy knee away from hanging 49 or more on Clemson, right? To blame our defense for that lose is to be blinded by anger at having lost.
Of course I understand that. It still doesn't mean that the defense did not have problems against LSU or that the loss to LSU (or the one to Auburn) is totally on the offense as 3and10 said. If you'll read my post again, you will see that I said that the offense deserved blame, too, but they also should not be exclusively blamed.
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 2/15/20 at 6:35 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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That's a naive position to take. The offense was not blameless in the losses, of course, but the defense was certainly a problem in both losses. No way they should have given up 34 points to Auburn. And all of that poor tackling against LSU, was that not a problem?
It's fine to say that the offense also shares in the blame, but it is flat wrong to say that the offense is the exclusive reason that Alabama lost the two games they lost.
The defense is far from blameless. It's just that given the circumstances, the results are understandable. Especially when it comes to people saying Golding needs to be fired over it, and things of that nature.
If the circumstances had been similar to those Pruitt had while DC and the results were as they were last year, I'd be all over firing him. But I actually think he did pretty well given the shitty hand he was dealt.
Missed tackles are a big problem. I remember Saban saying there was a huge amount of missed tackles against LSU. But do you attribute those types of things to the DC, or do you attribute those types of things to the youth in the defensive front 7? Because to me that speaks towards players who need more experience, thus make quicker decisions and get good angles for tackles(many bad angles taken by young guys that didn't even lead to a miss), and also more time in the weight room so they are physically able to make those tackles. That does not signal a reason to fire the DC.
And as far as giving up points, 31 to Auburn was excessive, but it's not really that surprising to me. Auburn's entire offense is based on misdirection and causing the defenses to make mistakes. And when you have a bunch of freshman out there, it's pretty rip pickings.
Especially in current times when the rules are extremely slanted towards the offense.
On the flip side, those circumstances didn't exist for the offense, with the exception of Mac Jones. We needed the offense to be the backbone of the team the way the defense normally is, and it didn't happen.
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 2/15/20 at 6:43 pm to 3down10
Some of you are overlooking one important tidbit about Charlie: when he was a position coach or had position responsibilities, it was usually with the LBs. If Golding is weak at being the LB coach, this might be Saban’s attempt to bring in someone to teach him and shore that up.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 6:45 pm to phil4bama
That would be fantastic.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 6:50 pm to phil4bama
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Some of you are overlooking one important tidbit about Charlie: when he was a position coach or had position responsibilities, it was usually with the LBs. If Golding is weak at being the LB coach, this might be Saban’s attempt to bring in someone to teach him and shore that up.
That would be cool if that's the case. I'm sure he has lots to offer in many areas. I just don't think he's some innovator when it comes to dealing with the RPO.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 6:55 pm to 3down10
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On the flip side, those circumstances didn't exist for the offense, with the exception of Mac Jones. We needed the offense to be the backbone of the team the way the defense normally is, and it didn't happen.
You’re heavily underestimating the impact of Tua’s injuries. QB is the single most important position in the sport. Tua’s injury was a pretty big blow. A healthy, well prepared Tua would’ve resulted in the offense not struggling as much as they did in the 1st half of the LSU game. Both of Mac’s INTs were the result of an inexperienced QB.
Just like the defense had issues because of injuries so did the offense.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 7:21 pm to 1BamaRTR
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You’re heavily underestimating the impact of Tua’s injuries. QB is the single most important position in the sport. Tua’s injury was a pretty big blow. A healthy, well prepared Tua would’ve resulted in the offense not struggling as much as they did in the 1st half of the LSU game. Both of Mac’s INTs were the result of an inexperienced QB.
Just like the defense had issues because of injuries so did the offense.
It's possible that I am, I just didn't see anything to suggest an injury caused the interception with less than 20 seconds in the half from our own 26 yard line.
To me it was that he-man mentality that he can make a play at any time causing a bad decision.
The most talented QB I've seen at Alabama, but when it came to the big games, outside the 2nd half of the NCG vs Georgia, he didn't do so hot. His entire career was basically coming off injury, but he never really ever did much against better defenses who prepared for him. Big mistakes in the big games.
And he would not throw the fricking ball away. 3 years in the system and there isn't a coach who can teach him to throw the ball away? Is it really that hard of a thing to do? Or is it just not happening because it's not sexy for Heisman votes?
1st and 10 from your own 26 with less than 20 seconds in the half...wtf is going on? When is that ever smart football?
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 2/15/20 at 7:24 pm to 1BamaRTR
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You’re the definition of arrogance
If I thought I was wrong, I'd shut up and change my mind. If I change my thoughts for your benefit, we'd both be wrong.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 7:31 pm to 3down10
You’re probably right, that was a really dumb move on Tua’s part. But the corollary to that is WTF was Sark/Saban thinking? No, it wasn’t a smart play, but it wasn’t too damn smart to call that play instead of running up the middle and taking it to the locker room to regroup either. Saban never does that, and Tua had already shown signs of rust with the unforced fumble and our FG kicker sucks. Don’t put him in a position to make another mistake. I will never understand the thought process behind that call. If there’s 1:26 left, it’s a different story but it was 0:26. Even against a bad team, you would struggle to get in scoring range, even with all 3 timeouts.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 7:31 pm to 3down10
I was talking about the offense’s performance as a whole in the first half. Tua hadn’t practiced in a while and he wasn’t 100% mobility wise. A healthy Tua would’ve meant a better overall performance in the first half. They wouldn’t have needed to attempt to score in a hurry before the half and result in that INT.
The AU game is even a bigger example of Tua’s injury. The two mistakes that led directly to the loss were made by an inexperienced, intially backup QB. The offense as a whole can also use the excuse of injury in that game.
The AU game is even a bigger example of Tua’s injury. The two mistakes that led directly to the loss were made by an inexperienced, intially backup QB. The offense as a whole can also use the excuse of injury in that game.
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 2/15/20 at 7:33 pm to 3down10
This is more to how you carry yourself on this board. Repeatedly calling yourself smarter than pretty much everyone else because the rest of us are idiots is exactly what an arrogant person does.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 7:42 pm to phil4bama
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You’re probably right, that was a really dumb move on Tua’s part. But the corollary to that is WTF was Sark/Saban thinking? No, it wasn’t a smart play, but it wasn’t too damn smart to call that play instead of running up the middle and taking it to the locker room to regroup either. Saban never does that, and Tua had already shown signs of rust with the unforced fumble and our FG kicker sucks. Don’t put him in a position to make another mistake. I will never understand the thought process behind that call. If there’s 1:26 left, it’s a different story but it was 0:26. Even against a bad team, you would struggle to get in scoring range, even with all 3 timeouts.
Yeah, it felt like trying to win the game on 1 quick drive. LSU got the ball to start the 2nd half, so it was possible we could have been looking at being down by 20 early in the 3rd quarter. A quick TD, which the offense is certainly capable of, brings it to only being down by 6.
But you also don't expect your QB to go out there and throw an interception on 1st down. It wasn't a hail mary type pass, which would have just been an arm punt and probably not a big deal, just one of those passes over the middle that can turn into big yards.
Very frustrating chain of events. We end up down by 20 going into the 3rd quarter anyway, but luckily the defense got a turnover to prevent going down 27.
Just throwing the ball away is sometimes the best play.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 7:44 pm to 1BamaRTR
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This is more to how you carry yourself on this board. Repeatedly calling yourself smarter than pretty much everyone else because the rest of us are idiots is exactly what an arrogant person does.
Get thicker skin Nancy. People call me an idiot all the time, it's nothing to cry about. Sometimes they are right.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 7:46 pm to 1BamaRTR
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You’re heavily underestimating the impact of Tua’s injuries
You don’t seem to be playing by a fair set of rules here. How come Sark loses his 1 QB and seems to get a pass, while Golding loses his first and second string QBs of the defense, has to play with two true freshmen and loses a good portion of his defensive line and has to play with true freshmen, but he is the one who is supposed to be the miracle worker here?
Sark had the most offensive talent we’ve ever had, and LSU shut us down in the first half. Next man up, MAC Jones threw one and a half pick sixes in the Auburn game and it was more than the difference in score. Why isn’t he being dogged? He was in a far more enviable position as far as talent as well as he is the offense. He gets to direct the attack rather than having to react to the other team.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 7:48 pm to 3down10
I’m not going to get more into this because it’s off topic but the definition of arrogance is someone that thinks highly of themselves. I said you fit the definition because you act and have said that more than once on this board. Obviously you also have thin skin since you keep responding back to it.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 7:58 pm to 1BamaRTR
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I’m not going to get more into this because it’s off topic but the definition of arrogance is someone that thinks highly of themselves. I said you fit the definition because you act and have said that more than once on this board. Obviously you also have thin skin since you keep responding back to it.
The funny thing is I'm not the one who brought it up in this thread. You did.
And I'm pretty sure it's not arrogance to think highly of yourself, that's self esteem. The arrogance part is because I expressed it, rather than being silent and humble. It's the internet: get over it, or bring it up every time you get butthurt. Your choice.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 8:01 pm to LovetheLord
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You don’t seem to be playing by a fair set of rules here. How come Sark loses his 1 QB and seems to get a pass, while Golding loses his first and second string QBs of the defense, has to play with two true freshmen and loses a good portion of his defensive line and has to play with true freshmen, but he is the one who is supposed to be the miracle worker here?
Because that’s how the sport is designed. The QB is by far the most important position. AU may have lost a few more games in 2010 without a few starters on defense but they definitely would’ve lost 4-5 games without Newton. Same can be said for LSU this past season with Burrow.
quote:Again Tua wasn’t 100%. Our offenses especially now days go through the QB. If your QB can’t get things going, then it doesn’t matter how star studded your receivers are.
Sark had the most offensive talent we’ve ever had, and LSU shut us down in the first half.
quote:He is. I’ve never seen anyone not blame him for the pick sixes. My point is that he is an inexperienced QB making his first career roadstart against a ranked team in one of the more hostile crowds in CFB. Outside those two picks, the offense as a whole played pretty well. So why is the offense as a whole being blamed when the 2 major mistakes were made by the inexperienced backup QB starting because of injury? If you want to excuse the defense not playing well as usual because of inexperience due to injury, why can’t that at least somewhat be applied to that AU game? After all both the turnovers that led directly to the loss were made due inexperience.
Next man up, MAC Jones threw one and a half pick sixes in the Auburn game and it was more than the difference in score. Why isn’t he being dogged?
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