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Posted on 2/15/20 at 8:02 pm to 3down10
Posted on 2/15/20 at 8:02 pm to 3down10
I completely agree with this. In the post Tua era it’s gonna be important to look at what he did and didn’t do without crimson glasses on. 2nd half vs Georgia is one for the record books. His play against elite competition after that is not. We’ve had countless players be elite through injuries in the past. Tua was not one of them. Lets not try to distort history to say otherwise, injuries or not.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 8:05 pm to crimson_dej
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I completely agree with this. In the post Tua era it’s gonna be important to look at what he did and didn’t do without crimson glasses on. 2nd half vs Georgia is one for the record books. His play against elite competition after that is not. We’ve had countless players be elite through injuries in the past. Tua was not one of them. Lets not try to distort history to say otherwise, injuries or not.
And, Tua was elite against LSU this season even with the two turnovers.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 8:18 pm to Shaft Williams
That’s not Alabama football and that’s not what Coach Saban has preached. Tua contributed to that loss just as much as he contributed to the comeback.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 8:35 pm to Shaft Williams
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And, Tua was elite against LSU this season even with the two turnovers.
Most talented QB of the Saban era for sure. But decision making and knowing when to throw the ball away is also a needed skill set.
If we could combine his talent and AJ's decision making, he'd be the greatest QB of all time. Maybe Bryce Young can do it.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 8:42 pm to 1BamaRTR
Quarterbacks are important, but Alabama has won national championships with guys who had half of Tua’s skill and nowhere near the surrounding talent.
Quarterbacks of the defense are important too. In fact maybe more so, as they are having to react on the fly to what the offense is bringing to them. Offenses can cover to some degree for a weak quarterback by not asking him to do too much. Defenses don’t have that luxury.
Yes Tua was injured, and that may have thrown off his timing a bit early, but the fact is, Sark didn’t come up with a plan to counter that nor did he start the capable backup who wasn’t injured.
For that matter, Alabama’s defense had numerous injuries too. You can’t plug in a local high school kid and get all-SEC results. It takes the right guys to go against other SEC players, especially top of the pack teams. For that matter, a number of our defensive players were glorified high school kids. They didn’t even have a year in our strength and conditioning program. They had a fall camp worth of our defensive schemes. They were out playing against top line SEC upperclassmen, and they held up pretty dang well all things considered.
The what-if games and blame spreading can go on-and-on. The bottom line is that coaches have to deal with the hands they are given, and Golden drew five low cards to try to bluff his way along with. The defense was comprised not just of a lot of freshmen, but freshmen at the most key positions. The coaches not only had to coach these kids, but try to keep from crushing their confidence. That is why we didn’t see Saban blowing up on the sidelines this year at the defense.
Quarterbacks of the defense are important too. In fact maybe more so, as they are having to react on the fly to what the offense is bringing to them. Offenses can cover to some degree for a weak quarterback by not asking him to do too much. Defenses don’t have that luxury.
Yes Tua was injured, and that may have thrown off his timing a bit early, but the fact is, Sark didn’t come up with a plan to counter that nor did he start the capable backup who wasn’t injured.
For that matter, Alabama’s defense had numerous injuries too. You can’t plug in a local high school kid and get all-SEC results. It takes the right guys to go against other SEC players, especially top of the pack teams. For that matter, a number of our defensive players were glorified high school kids. They didn’t even have a year in our strength and conditioning program. They had a fall camp worth of our defensive schemes. They were out playing against top line SEC upperclassmen, and they held up pretty dang well all things considered.
The what-if games and blame spreading can go on-and-on. The bottom line is that coaches have to deal with the hands they are given, and Golden drew five low cards to try to bluff his way along with. The defense was comprised not just of a lot of freshmen, but freshmen at the most key positions. The coaches not only had to coach these kids, but try to keep from crushing their confidence. That is why we didn’t see Saban blowing up on the sidelines this year at the defense.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 8:45 pm to 1BamaRTR
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The QB is by far the most important position.
The most important position is ILB. QB on offense, sometimes. ILB always.
We won a national championship with Greg McElroy, who threw 8 passes the entire game. If we had better ILB play this year, we win a national championship.
Aside from the 2 pick sixes, one of which probably shouldn't have been a pass play called to start with, Mac Jones did a great job running the offense.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 9:08 pm to LovetheLord
I don’t think the defense is completely but I also don’t think it’s all on the offense. It’s not the rest of the offense that fricked up versus AU. It was the backup QB for the most part. It’s not fair to blame the rest of the offense because of that. In today’s offenses, including in ours, the passing game is pretty damn important. You’re not going to win championships if your QB isn’t also playing well.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 9:13 pm to 3down10
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The most important position is ILB. QB on offense, sometimes. ILB always.
We won a national championship with Greg McElroy, who threw 8 passes the entire game. If we had better ILB play this year, we win a national championship.
That was 10 years ago. You’re not going to win a championship like that anymore. See 2016 against Clemson. Yes the defense collapsed towards the end but Hurts couldn’t throw the ball. And you have to be able to throw the ball. Same thing against UGA the following season. Like I said about LSU this season. Their defense was even worse than Bama’s but they had Joe Burrow. They would’ve lost 3-4 games without him.
quote:And I’m saying if we had a healthy Tua we would’ve won.
If we had better ILB play this year, we win a national championship.
I’m not trying to equate the losses on defense to offense. I’m saying the offense also has some legitimate excuses of their own.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 9:13 pm to 1BamaRTR
I’ll agree. It is because the other team’s offense is smoking your defense, regardless of how many upper class men or the skill of your coaches. It is just the way the rules are set up right now to favor the offenses.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 9:23 pm to 1BamaRTR
I just get tired of this “if Tua were healthy” narrative. I don’t want to hear that from our fan base because at the end of the day you don’t know the result of him being 100% but you do know what happened when he wasn’t.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 7:23 am to crimson_dej
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I just get tired of this “if Tua were healthy” narrative. I don’t want to hear that from our fan base because at the end of the day you don’t know the result of him being 100% but you do know what happened when he wasn’t.
you sound like a LSU fan.
Tua was injured in the UT game and missed the rest of that game and the next game. He came back for LSU and was clearly impaired. You may not remember the mobility Tua had in his freshman year and 2018 before the Arkansas injury, but I do. An injury to the lower extremities will impact a qbs entire game, from set up to follow through, to scrambling away from a rush, to the mental because of a lack of confidence in the ability to do things the way you do things when healthy. Just because you don't want to hear it doesn't make it less so.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 8:20 am to 3down10
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Pete Golding did a hell of a job this year all things considered and it sucks that the fan base is too ignorant to recognize that.
Didn't know Pete was a member here. Low energy, low t Pete. That guy couldn't pressure hardly any one when we really needed it the most.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 9:00 am to artompkins
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Didn't know Pete was a member here. Low energy, low t Pete. That guy couldn't pressure hardly any one when we really needed it the mo
Golding apologist seem to subscribe to the notion that what they don't have in substance they can easily make up in volume. You know, if we just keep repeating this stuff over and over it's bound to turn into the truth sooner or later.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 10:30 am to artompkins
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Didn't know Pete was a member here. Low energy, low t Pete. That guy couldn't pressure hardly any one when we really needed it the most.
Are you talking about Tua or Golding?
Our defense usually made great adjustments during halftime, and the play calling was good.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 10:30 am to bamameister
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Golding apologist seem to subscribe to the notion that what they don't have in substance they can easily make up in volume. You know, if we just keep repeating this stuff over and over it's bound to turn into the truth sooner or later.
Saban is a Golding apologist then.
Enjoy another year of him on DC, blessed by the greatest coach of all time.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 10:32 am to John Milner
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you sound like a LSU fan.
Tua was injured in the UT game and missed the rest of that game and the next game. He came back for LSU and was clearly impaired. You may not remember the mobility Tua had in his freshman year and 2018 before the Arkansas injury, but I do. An injury to the lower extremities will impact a qbs entire game, from set up to follow through, to scrambling away from a rush, to the mental because of a lack of confidence in the ability to do things the way you do things when healthy. Just because you don't want to hear it doesn't make it less so.
Injuries suck, but if Tua had been coached up to throw a ball away, or learned how to take a sack, it probably wouldn't have happened in the first place.
But I'm sure you'll all suck off Sark as being a great coach despite the fact he couldn't teach a QB how to throw a ball away after having him for multiple years.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 10:35 am to 1BamaRTR
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That was 10 years ago. You’re not going to win a championship like that anymore. See 2016 against Clemson. Yes the defense collapsed towards the end but Hurts couldn’t throw the ball. And you have to be able to throw the ball. Same thing against UGA the following season. Like I said about LSU this season. Their defense was even worse than Bama’s but they had Joe Burrow. They would’ve lost 3-4 games without him.
So Joe Burrow > Tua in your opinion. I think Tua is more talented, but Burrow didn't choke in every big game like Tua did.
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And I’m saying if we had a healthy Tua we would’ve won.
I’m not trying to equate the losses on defense to offense. I’m saying the offense also has some legitimate excuses of their own.
If we had a QB that didn't fumble the ball without being touched or throw the most retarded interception I've ever seen in my entire life - we also still win.
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 10:36 am
Posted on 2/16/20 at 10:39 am to 3down10
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Saban is a Golding apologist then.
That explains that look on Saban's face after the LSU and barner game.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 10:42 am to bamameister
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That explains that look on Saban's face after the LSU and barner game.
I'm not even sure what you are trying to claim here.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 10:47 am to 3down10
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I'm not even sure what you are trying to claim here.
I would believe that. What I mean is that being a Golding apologist ain't easy. Neither is watching your team get walked down the field for 4 quarters in the games that matter most.
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